For the love of god, PLEASE F***ING NERF FRANCE

[Soviet Onion]

France probably has elan already, and they take offensive second.

 

[Andredie45]

In my last England game I DOW on Scotland's ally and co-belligeranted them, calling France in about 1450. I dealt with Ireland, Scotland, and Novgorod with my 35k, and Castile with about 35k and Austra with 40k easily dealt with France's 45k. When I was done with the isles and in the north I helped with France just to speed up the sieges. I don't understand how you lost with such large numbers.

 

[moglus]

In my last England game I DOW on Scotland's ally and co-belligeranted them, calling France in about 1450. I dealt with Ireland, Scotland, and Novgorod with my 35k, and Castile with about 35k and Austra with 40k easily dealt with France's 45k. When I was done with the isles and in the north I helped with France just to speed up the sieges. I don't understand how you lost with such large numbers.

neither do i, which is the problem, France has won every battle even one were we were 60k against France's 30k, we were defending in the mountains, and France was crossing a river. i don't get it either, it doesn't make logical sense.

 

[Andredie45]

neither do i, which is the problem, France has won every battle even one were we were 60k against France's 30k, we were defending in the mountains, and France was crossing a river. i don't get it either, it doesn't make logical sense.

Just attack them as early as possible.

 

[Sharples88]

France is so weak in this patch its not even funny. Burgundy will roll over them, queue in DOW from England and its pretty much gone by 1480.

Their first idea does nothing for an AI France.

Not sure what you're talking about here, I've seen France win against Burgundy 7 games in a row now.

 

[MrParadux]

Post a screenshot from a battle where we can see morale, discipline, tactics, generals and one with their ideas. If they don't have significant advantages there, I honestly don't know what is happening since they should definetly lose an attack into mountains with less troops than the defender, if both armies are of the same quality

 

[Andredie45]

Not sure what you're talking about here, I've seen France win against Burgundy 7 games in a row now.

In my last Muscovy game France was an OPM by 1500; Burgundy, England, Provence, and Aragon ate them up.

 

[alpaca]

My best guess: you put all your troops into the battle at once, and France wiped their morale with their Élan bonus. Commit only combat width plus artillery to the battle, and have the rest reinforce a little later, then retreat the first part of the army if it's still above 0.5 morale. If you have numerical advantage, you need to reinforce to win, not just throw everything in at once.

 

[dolphin_boy]

by default, France is a lucky nation, so their generals will always be of higher than average quality. It's always best to tackle France early, once they start filling in offensive and unlock elan, its going to be a uphill battle if they have formed even just historic borders.

 

[moglus]

Post a screenshot from a battle where we can see morale, discipline, tactics, generals and one with their ideas. If they don't have significant advantages there, I honestly don't know what is happening since they should definetly lose an attack into mountains with less troops than the defender, if both armies are of the same quality

i can't, the war is already over, and it's in iron man mode

 

[moglus]

My best guess: you put all your troops into the battle at once, and France wiped their morale with their Élan bonus. Commit only combat width plus artillery to the battle, and have the rest reinforce a little later, then retreat the first part of the army if it's still above 0.5 morale. If you have numerical advantage, you need to reinforce to win, not just throw everything in at once.

the combat width at tech 8 is 9, so my armies were set up like this 9/2/9, i did exactly what you said, but ultimately it didn't matter, for some reason France just won every battle in a matter of seconds

 

[Andredie45]

the combat width at tech 8 is 9, so my armies were set up like this 9/2/9, i did exactly what you said, but ultimately it didn't matter, for some reason France just won every battle in a matter of seconds

Your base combat width is 15... So it's 15+9...

 

[moglus]

Your base combat width is 15... So it's 15+9...

okay i honestly didn't know that, i always assumed that the combat width number the game provides in the mil tech tab was the actual combat width
silly me for thinking that the game gave me the actual applied math in a paradox game

 

[Andredie45]

okay i honestly didn't know that, i always assumed that the combat width number the game provides in the mil tech tab was the actual combat width
silly me for thinking that the game gave me the actual applied math in a paradox game

Haha yeah, you can see it in combat view tho'.

 

[moglus]

Haha yeah, you can see it in combat view tho'.

i usually play at speed 4 or 5, i never actually look at the individual battles unless there is something wrong

i'm becoming more and more convinced that this is happening as a combination of offensive ideas, french national ideas, and france being a "lucky nation" (which is bull, i can't stand lucky nations)

 

[Sousuke123]

France got Elan and France just like Poland are heavily cavalry focused nation so you die in shock phase. Moreover next time don't do such a stupid things like selling your land to your enemies just DoW them in 1444 using Castille, Austria and any other country willing gang bang France. Soon you'll see everyone DoW'ing them.

 

[moglus]

France got Elan and France just like Poland are heavily cavalry focused nation so you die in shock phase. Moreover next time don't do such a stupid things like selling your land to your enemies just DoW them in 1444 using Castille, Austria and any other country willing gang bang France. Soon you'll see everyone DoW'ing them.

well i would have if not for the fact that castile was allied to france (only joined my war because it was defensive) and austria was getting carpet sieged by burgundy and lost tirol and the emperorship at the start of the game, also no country was willing to go to war with france in this game, even provence was allied to france

 

[Moridin997]

Since we likely won't ever have Ironman without Lucky bonuses, then at least some of the military Lucky bonuses could get a little nerf...

 

[Sousuke123]

well i would have if not for the fact that castile was allied to france (only joined my war because it was defensive) and austria was getting carpet sieged by burgundy and lost tirol and the emperorship at the start of the game, also no country was willing to go to war with france in this game, even provence was allied to france

If you see such set up just restart the game till you see Castile and Austria are rival to France, Aragon might come in handy as well. Day 1 ally them day 2 DoW France with Reconquest CB or sth else.

 

[SignedName]

I fed Brittany my cores and they did just fine holding off France. Don't just abandon your cores, give them to an ally or vassal.