For the love of god, lower the coring costs.

[LordNeidhart]

Reading this thread, in this darkest of nights, I throw a worried glance at the Baltic Lands of the Teutonic Order, and the undoubtedly horrendously expensive Polish lands that surround it. Teutonic Order and Sweden have always been swim or die games for me, and now with the new fort mechanics and the increased coring costs I am absolutely TERRIFIED of it. I wish I were a good enough player to tackle it with no problems.

Incidentally...

no

Dearest Wiz, I humbly submit an idea for consideration. Stop taking pages from Johan's Grand Book of Curt Monosyllabic Responses, not because it is rude [it is pretty rude] or because we're all scared of you hurting the poor community's feelings, but because it makes for terrible PR and extremely unhelpful feedback, which I believe it's what people hope for when they see the little golden paradox sigil right by the thread's name in the master list. Even a more diplomatically empty "I believe it is working as intended" would do. Last thing you need is to throw fire at the flamewars, after all, and come out as needlessly rude.

And no, that does not count as using harsh treatment. If anything you're reducing autonomy in a province that's currently suffering from high revolt risk, and as such are fully deserving of Milan becoming Bohemian clay. Groogy is the saviour that shall bring us victory. Denmark shall prevail.

 

[thegreatuniter]

I would be OK with the coring cost if there were more options for conquest. I am an achievement hunter and i won't say world conquest is impossible now, because somebody will prove me wrong, but it has gotten way harder to do achievement like "Over a Thousand" or "Master of India".
- More options to lower integration cost, or circumvent it (chance to inherit vassals perhaps? easier integration for long term vassals?)
- Not coring a province, just establishing a basic administration for half the cost, or reduce coring cost for longer owned provinces.

I support the coring costs from a realism standpoint, but from a gameplay perspective i think it will hurt.

 

[EMT0]

I will never understand people's fascination with being a tall power. The fact of the matter is that even the strongest of the 'tall' nations like Bavaria, Prussia, and the Netherlands either a) Failed to expand and were no match for any of the larger powers, b) Got saved because Russia took pity on them, or c) expanded outside of Europe. I'm making it work with the new coring costs alright, and I'm playing in Italy. Yeah, my focus is permanently on admin points but it;s not the end of the world. But if I had sat in Milan all game, I'd be getting my ass curbstomped right about now by super France and friends.

 

[wingzero890]

Really hate how EU4 is balanced to nerf world conquest, one of the most tedious and unfun games you can attempt to begin with.

 

[chrnno]

Really hate how EU4 is balanced to nerf world conquest, one of the most tedious and unfun games you can attempt to begin with.

Not sure about that, one tag WC at least was made easier overall.

 

[starshooter7324]

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

no

(Credit to /u/TheotherotherG on reddit)

 

[Elryos]

Reading this thread, in this darkest of nights, I throw a worried glance at the Baltic Lands of the Teutonic Order, and the undoubtedly horrendously expensive Polish lands that surround it. Teutonic Order and Sweden have always been swim or die games for me, and now with the new fort mechanics and the increased coring costs I am absolutely TERRIFIED of it. I wish I were a good enough player to tackle it with no problems.

I tried the Order and have to say: It´s really expensive, but I could rather easily join the Empire an eat parts of Pommerania and Brandenburg (including Berlin). Somehow noone seemed to care.

 

[toroltao]

WC should be impossible except for all but the luckiest of games where everything lines up perfectly. This is how it should have been from the very beginning. I'd be happier if it was just completely impossible.

 

[elpibeuruguayo]

WC should be impossible except for all but the luckiest of games where everything lines up perfectly. This is how it should have been from the very beginning. I'd be happier if it was just completely impossible.

Yes

 

[TheDungen]

Perhaps this will limit ahistorical blobbing, I approve so much of that. Very few nations grew more than a couple of provinces in europe during this time. Even did so fewer in western europe.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Perhaps this will limit ahistorical blobbing, I approve so much of that. Very few nations grew more than a couple of provinces in europe during this time. Even did so fewer in western europe.

What about historical blobbing, like the Ottomans?

 

[Korashy]

WC should be impossible except for all but the luckiest of games where everything lines up perfectly. This is how it should have been from the very beginning. I'd be happier if it was just completely impossible.

I don't understand this reasoning at all. Why should it be impossible? Because in real life it would be impossible during that time? Yes, so what? Nations during that time were also not ruled by a single almost all knowing entity (in game terms) enforcing their supreme will on the state, with no resistance. It's a game, removing options is bad. I'd wager that most people who want WC nerfed have never actually done it themselves, because the hardest part of WC previously has been actually dealing with the tedium of doing a WC.

 

[James The 1st]

Dearest Wiz, I humbly submit an idea for consideration. Stop taking pages from Johan's Grand Book of Curt Monosyllabic Responses, not because it is rude [it is pretty rude] or because we're all scared of you hurting the poor community's feelings, but because it makes for terrible PR and extremely unhelpful feedback, which I believe it's what people hope for when they see the little golden paradox sigil right by the thread's name in the master list. Even a more diplomatically empty "I believe it is working as intended" would do. Last thing you need is to throw fire at the flamewars, after all, and come out as needlessly rude.

And no, that does not count as using harsh treatment. If anything you're reducing autonomy in a province that's currently suffering from high revolt risk, and as such are fully deserving of Milan becoming Bohemian clay. Groogy is the saviour that shall bring us victory. Denmark shall prevail.

I like the straightforwardness, it's way better than corporate PR speak.

 

[Korashy]

I like the straightforwardness, it's way better than corporate PR speak.

it should be "no, and here is why" and everything would be okay. That's facilitating a discussion. Just "no" means we don't care what you (the customer think), you'll buy it or leave it.

 

[wingzero890]

Perhaps this will limit ahistorical blobbing, I approve so much of that. Very few nations grew more than a couple of provinces in europe during this time. Even did so fewer in western europe.

Look at that ahistorical Austria. Lol, Qing, what a minmaxer. Russia stop being a tryhard. Mughals wtf, thats not ironman. Ottomans pls, exploit more.

Basically if by 'very few nations' you mean the princes in the HRE, then yes, very few grew more than a 'couple of provinces'. Other than that? Yeah.. history speaks for itself.

1444

Spoiler

 

[LastSalian]

I like the straightforwardness, it's way better than corporate PR speak.

Yeah, I prefer it too, but Wiz copying Johan's trade marks is kind of frightening Why don't develop a personal charisma.

 

[Korashy]

Yeah, I prefer it too, but Wiz copying Johan's trade marks is kind of frightening Why don't develop a personal charisma.

They have done a really good job up to the release of the expansion communicating. Lot's of dev replies all the time, now the inevitable shit storm comes up, and that's the only dev reply. It's a bit... bad? Well it's only been a day, wouldn't be the first time things end up being hotfixed which were "WAD" right after expansion.

 

[Afaslizo]

I love to exploit the AI with this. Develop your border provinces with spare monarch points, take Aristocracy idea group and AI will never try to take anything from you that is not their cores.

 

[JOD]

Look at that ahistorical Austria. Lol, Qing, what a minmaxer. Russia stop being a tryhard. Mughals wtf, thats not ironman. Ottomans pls, exploit more.

Agree or disagree with the current coring costs and that's still weak evidence. Austria inherited most of that, Russia got most of that via colonizing or in dirt cheap low development horde provinces and the Ottomans have ideas that make coring cheaper. You're not exactly supporting your point with those nations as examples.

Qing and the Mughals are the only 2 examples that would make sense here and the person you're responding to EXPLICITLY mention blobs in EUROPE. So that's not a real rebuttal.

 

[wingzero890]

Agree or disagree with the current coring costs and that's still weak evidence. Austria inherited most of that, Russia got most of that via colonizing or in dirt cheap low development horde provinces and the Ottomans have ideas that make coring cheaper. You're not exactly supporting your point with those nations as examples.

Qing and the Mughals are the only 2 examples that would make sense here and the person you're responding to EXPLICITLY mention blobs in EUROPE. So that's not a real rebuttal.

If you can't see the difference between 1444 France and 1718 France then I'm afraid I can't help you. Talk to your ophthalmologist, he might be able to give you a hand.

I also invite you to compare Muscovy in 1444 (170 dev) to Russia in 1718 (1036 dev, plus westernized). 'dirt cheap' steppe provinces still cost points to core, and siberia isn't where most of their development is coming from. Note the huge chunk they've taken out of the PLC.