For the love of god, lower the coring costs.

[Denkt]

That is the point with 50% core cost increase, it should not be a good deal to core these lands.

 

[Korashy]

Again, I fail to see the problem here. Diplo-annexation of large vassals used to be too easy and cheap. Now it is one option among others, with benefits and drawbacks.


Because expansion should be quite hard and costly, and because it should sometimes be the better option, or even just a valid option, to abstain from a landgrab or to keep a country as a vassal rather than outright annex it. I know somebody is inevitably going to say "it is a game, history is not a valid argument, and after all, there is nothing to do except blobbing". However, this fortunately is not true.


Good.

Please tell me what there is to do besides blobbing. Enough to keep me occupied for say 2000 more hours.

 

[Tavior]

That is the point with 50% core cost increase, it should not be a good deal to core these lands.

You are forgetting that core costing are NOT static like it used to be before so raising development level over time plus 50% may make it even more painful to expand in some direction than it was in 1.11.4. So we will see.

 

[roman566]

Please tell me what there is to do besides blobbing. Enough to keep me occupied for say 2000 more hours.

Buy the newest DLC and waste your monarch points on pointless province development! It's super awesome! You spend several years on speed 5 and click once to get some additional base tax, the best fun I ever missed!

 

[JOD]

Do you think Tsar looked at PLC and said 'nope, we do not have enough DIP points to go with the partitions'?

No, I think he'd look and go "Conquering, pacifying and managing this territory will be a significant investment of state power. I should be sure the nations beaucracy can handle such large expansion lest I over expand and over burden my nation and risk myself to my own ambition"

Any conquest or expansion put some degree of strain on the state. It would demand an expension of state resources. MP is a abstraction of that resource. It is logical to ask if the amounts are appropriate. It is silly to pretend there was zero effort however.

 

[Denkt]

Please tell me what there is to do besides blobbing. Enough to keep me occupied for say 2000 more hours.

Roleplay

 

[FreeSoc]

Do you think Tsar looked at PLC and said 'nope, we do not have enough DIP points to go with the partitions'?

I don't see how that's even vaguely related to my point. Probably the key reason behind the Tsar not looking at the PLC and going "lol no we don't have enough DIP points" is that DIP points don't actually exist, because monarch points are an abstraction.

EUIV is a game. Games have rules. One of the rules of EUIV is that you don't get land for free.

I fail to see the problem with not getting land for free, and incidentally the partitions show that getting enormous tracts of land for free would be senseless, because there were three of them. It wasn't done in one go. It took the PLC being carved into 8 bits (3 Russian, 3 Prussian, 2 Austrian) for it to be fully annexed.

 

[davsim]

Roleplaying? Maybe in ck2, but here? Roleplay a colour tint?

 

[Twoflower]

Do you think Tsar looked at PLC and said 'nope, we do not have enough DIP points to go with the partitions'?

No, for one, the Polish partitions were military conquests. He needed ADM points
More to the point, it might be reasonable to argue that because Russia focussed on outward expansion into unruly territories and spent ressources on controlling these conquests - such as those gained by the partitions of Poland - they devoted less effort on internal development, which might explain why Russia was quite underindustrialized and underdevelopped throughout the 19th century.
This, in my opinion, seems fairly represented by the abstraction of spending ADM points on conquests rather than technology, ideas or development. They decided to go wide rather than tall.

 

[Tzumao]

Maybe in ck2, but here? Roleplay a colour tint?

Red best, screw blue

 

[Korashy]

Roleplay

If I want to roleplay, I'll get a case of beer, some nerds, and play dungeons and dragon, or shadow run.

Besides, with over 2k hours into the game, i'm gonna be out of roleplaying options. EU IV is not a roleplaying game (you can roleplay it, but it's not an RPG).

I'm all for making going tall a valid play style, but going tall shouldn't gimp going wide. I've said this int he dev dairy: The problem with the AI going tall is that it directly messes up with the player going wide. After a certain treshold more tax and manpower becomes meaningless for the player and you conquer for the sake of conquest itself. So even the argument of "you get better provinces" does nothing for a player going wide after the first 60-100 years.

 

[Runite]

If I want to roleplay, I'll get a case of beer, some nerds, and play dungeons and dragon, or shadow run.

Besides, with over 2k hours into the game, i'm gonna be out of roleplaying options. EU IV is not a roleplaying game (you can roleplay it, but it's not an RPG).

I'm all for making going tall a valid play style, but going tall shouldn't gimp going wide. I've said this int he dev dairy: The problem with the AI going tall is that it directly messes up with the player going wide. After a certain treshold more tax and manpower becomes meaningless for the player and you conquer for the sake of conquest itself. So even the argument of "you get better provinces" does nothing for a player going wide after the first 60-100 years.

i think he means to masturbate while it's going at 5 speed.

 

[Korashy]

i think he means to masturbate while it's going at 5 speed.

Look... we've all been there...

 

[Wizzington]

no

 

[Korashy]

no

Could allow a core using MIL points as the third option. That would at least spread the points usage out a bit. If you don't harsh treatment you tend to have tons of mil points laying around anyways (at least after you've westernized).

 

[maccyb]

Thanks for the "feedback", Wiz.

 

[Jephery]

I think people should play until admin efficiency kicks in and see how things balance out between development and the -25/-50% coring cost.

 

[Tavior]

no

Since core costing are depend on amount of development in a province. Since core costing used to be nearly always static from release day to 1.11.4. I think it is safe to say that core costing need adjustment if nothing else.

Just saying why I disagree with you.

 

[Korashy]

I think people should play until AE kicks in and see how things balance out between development and the -50% coring cost.

Thing is that many AE kicks in late, and many campaigns only last to 1600-1650 ish.

 

[WeissRaben]

no

Johan, go away from Wiz's keyboard.