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You're playing one of the most favored nations in the game, of course you should not expect to have to do much early.
 

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Said so before but the solution is so simple. People have different interest and therefor its stupid to say wich is better also pointless. Solution is difficulty setting for ironman

medium: 1.11 coring cost
hard: 1.12 coring cost
godlike: double 1.12 coring cost

its rhe ironman setting wich starts such discussions so whynot fix the actual problem and everyone can enjoy

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This is a game about land-grabbing, so when you look at it that way, coring costs are too high to have fun (and a bit unrealistic considering the sizes of some empires during the era) and should be adjusted in the downward direction.
 
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This is a game about land-grabbing, so when you look at it that way, coring costs are too high to have fun (and a bit unrealistic considering the sizes of some empires during the era) and should be adjusted in the downward direction.

You can afford to core all of Europe, easily. So, you're right - coring costs are realistic considering contemporary empires, they're much too low.
 
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The guys from other Threads didn't have any problems with coring cost while going wide.

Just two examples:

In my Ironman game i started with attacking Albania and then expanding in Serbia and Bosnia while securing an alliance with Poland and building Galleys. the financial situation was ok, i only needed 4 loans. I found it more difficult to get the big nations as an ally. Here is my current situation:
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i am allied to Commonwealth and France, they are allied to Tuscany and Naples... right now my goal is to conquer egypt. i really need another diplomat, so next ideas diplomacy or aristocracy?

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Glorious Tengri Empire of Oirat! Been relatively quiet except a few Muscovian interventions when it was still strong. Golden horde/Kazan/Shun are vassals. Just westernized, and am having my sweet peace time to catch up in tech, and i will, since i got a lucky Lux Stella event for a godlike heir called Johan :D

And it's not even in the endgame... So the -50% coring cost modifier from tech didn't even kick in.
 
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I gues people prefer to say wich kind of fruit they prefer, then force there taste upon others instead of asking for more then 1 taste. What a stupid discussion this is
 
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It's really hard to play as conquerer nations like Ottomans and Russia in this version of the game. Either you are gonna conquer and spend your points to core provences and other nations outrun you with technology or spend your points to develop technology and stay as a small nations which ridicilous with such nations. Bring back the 1.11 coring costs.
 
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I get that with common sense you should pay more attention to your own state but having to pay 220 admin points for Liguria is just ridiculous, especially since it was around 90-100 before the patch. You won't be able to conquer anything that is worth something without missing out on admin tech and ideas.

In this patch Ottos are the only ones to be allowed to conquer :p

If they pick up admin as first tech group they will be only paying 50% of intended coring cost.
 
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The guys from other Threads didn't have any problems with coring cost while going wide.

And it's not even in the endgame... So the -50% coring cost modifier from tech didn't even kick in.

The Oirat empire is a beautiful one, but in fairness he's pretty much only cored horde lands and colonised the vast provinces of Siberia.

A fine achievement, no doubt, but not the best example of a high cost wide empire.

Having said that, he has basically formed old Russian borders, so it has done a good job showing that coring costs can reflect wide empires that were possible...
 
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Wiz said:
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For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

Good.
I agree with Wiz to a certain extent, but I just wanted to say that this is such a burn. I felt it deserved to be acknowledged. Carry on.
 

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I think the issue is not so much with the coring costs, as it is with the fact that everything has to be core, or you WILL cry. I for example would be fine with not cored provices having higher LA minimum amount, as long as the rebel chance in the cores doesnt increase. For example, if i play with poland, only the polish region should be core. If i conquer say hungary, i would be fine with the hungary region having minimum 25% LA. What im not fine with is that suddenly my polish people start to rebel, because i conquered some lands far away. It makes little sense.

Now that i think about it, it seems to me that LA + nationalism could replace the overextensions penalties. With some tweaking of course.
 
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The guys from other Threads didn't have any problems with coring cost while going wide.

Just two examples:





And it's not even in the endgame... So the -50% coring cost modifier from tech didn't even kick in.

The first one is conquering Ottomans in 200 years, that at least was achievable in around 100 years easy. 2nd one is shit-tier Siberia land with close to no development anywhere. Those pictures are the opposite of what you are trying to support.
 
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Tried coring 100% OE in my BRA game, not enough points... AI raised manpower in all of their provinces. Claims on all provinces, 25% cheaper coring from ADM ideas.
 

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Said so before but the solution is so simple. People have different interest and therefor its stupid to say wich is better also pointless. Solution is difficulty setting for ironman

medium: 1.11 coring cost
hard: 1.12 coring cost
godlike: double 1.12 coring cost

its rhe ironman setting wich starts such discussions so whynot fix the actual problem and everyone can enjoy

bil
No it's not, will the computer play at the same coring costs as the player? Because then you risk gave over more playing a game with lower coring costs.
 

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Well, let us know how many angry threads we need to make, then.
- Lowered cost of diplomatic annexation from 10 to 8 dip points per development

I guess all those "disagree" votes feel pretty silly now, huh?

Well, thanks for making the right decision in the face of feedback, Paradox.
 
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