For the love of god, lower the coring costs.

[Bagfisch]

I get that with common sense you should pay more attention to your own state but having to pay 220 admin points for Liguria is just ridiculous, especially since it was around 90-100 before the patch. You won't be able to conquer anything that is worth something without missing out on admin tech and ideas.

 

[LastSalian]

BTW, any changes on the coring time?

 

[oblio-]

I get that with common sense you should pay more attention to your own state but having to pay 220 admin points for Liguria is just ridiculous, especially since it was around 90-100 before the patch. You won't be able to conquer anything that is worth something without missing out on admin tech and ideas.

I'm not saying that I agree with them, but maybe that's the point of the changes?

 

[Aries666]

Wasn't Liguria 8BT so 200 adm to core?

 

[lolada]

Brescia cca 190 admin points -_-

 

[grommile]

Wasn't Liguria 8BT so 200 adm to core?

10 BT, not 8, but you got the ADM cost right.

And Brescia was 8 BT, meaning it cost 160 ADM.

Seems like Northern Italy has not actually got that much more expensive.

 

[Aries666]

10 BT, not 8, but you got the ADM cost right.

And Brescia was 8 BT, meaning it cost 160 ADM.

Seems like Northern Italy has not actually got that much more expensive.

The point I was making was that the disparity claimed in the OP was vastly exaggerated.

 

[Yashichi]

Wait till you have Adm efficiency first? Or the Admin -25% idea?

"Don't core anything until tech 23" is some of the worst advice I've ever seen for this game

 

[SheaferDaDawg]

Unless you are one of my neighbors in MP. Then's its a brilliant idea.

 

[Panzerschiffe]

"Don't core anything until tech 23" is some of the worst advice I've ever seen for this game

Must be a fan of going tall in all his games.

 

[lolada]

Well most of the very expensive provinces to core are located in europe and euros have western tech so at least they can afford it.

 

[LastSalian]

Wait till you have Adm efficiency first? Or the Admin -25% idea?

Out of curiosity, will you really play the game like that? Serious advise, hope you at least read a book while waiting for getting adm efficiency.

 

[brtzknf]

I've to pay 200 and sth points for an unclaimed wallachian province

 

[Atlanteax]

Clearly a lot of players are (still) fixated on going wide in EU4 as game play/design was guilty of encouraging it.

I am just suggesting that players probably have to undergo a process of shifting to expansion at a measured pace vs blobbing quickly.

 

[hwoosh]

Clearly a lot of players are (still) fixated on going wide in EU4 as game play/design was guilty of encouraging it.

I am just suggesting that players probably have to undergo a process of shifting to expansion at a measured pace vs blobbing quickly.

Grabbing a single, hugely rich province like Liguria is perfectly congruent with "going tall". "Going wide" only happens when you repeat that action over and over.

 

[Tavior]

Clearly a lot of players are (still) fixated on going wide in EU4 as game play/design was guilty of encouraging it.

I am just suggesting that players probably have to undergo a process of shifting to expansion at a measured pace vs blobbing quickly.

I challenge you to go "Tall" as Muscovy and see how long you last against a westernized and large horde or even Ming.

 

[Aries666]

Grabbing a single, hugely rich province like Liguria is perfectly congruent with "going tall". "Going wide" only happens when you repeat that action over and over.

However, taking Liguria hasn't been made significantly more difficult or expensive and so there is little impact either way.

 

[grommile]

I've to pay 200 and sth points for an unclaimed wallachian province

Terrible example, since Muntenia province already cost 280 ADM to core under the old regime, and you would have to be cheesing every conceivable source of reduction to get that figure below 160.

 

[NaveHK]

I think this is good or we have to find another way to stop big countries from blobbing everywhere.

 

[FreeSoc]

So what OP's saying is that early-modern Italy will be...difficult, time-consuming and expensive to conquer?

...

Not yet seeing the problem here