I agree with the 2 points. Move the Mecklemburg CoT to Sjelland in the Sound Due as well as having no land connection to Jylland. Talk about making it a hard country to fight a war against...very good changes IMO.
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Unfortunately, if what I read is true, and the "removecot" needs to be in the event for the nation which currently owns the CoT, then we'd actually have to make a new event for Mecklemburg causing them to lose their CoT, triggered by the Sound Due event from Denmark. And as we've heard often times enough, there will be no new events, I wouldn't count on this happening.
However, I do see making Sjaeland an island perfectly feasible. Its a shame however that because of this Denmark will always have at least a 5% tax penalty to its non-Sjealand taxes, but you can't have everything.
I think the strategic bonus for having it an island could outweigh the penalty anyway.
However, I do see making Sjaeland an island perfectly feasible. Its a shame however that because of this Denmark will always have at least a 5% tax penalty to its non-Sjealand taxes, but you can't have everything.
I think the strategic bonus for having it an island could outweigh the penalty anyway.
Originally posted by TheLotus
The only way Denmark should be able to get German culture is as part of alternate-history events as I feel the <somewhat iffy> historical reasons do not outweigh the immense costs to gameplay. I agree with the notion that Denmark should be strengthened, *especially* its navy, which is basically what kept it afloat, minus some exceptional luck in certain wars with Sweden
Hence my suggestion to move the Mecklemburg CoT there instead of upping the base tax value... LOTS of more income, and also the potential to make a profitable monopoly on goods from the region and a good representation of the fact that the trade lines did converge in, and go through, the sound (Sjaelland)...
Originally posted by Onslaught
Hence my suggestion to move the Mecklemburg CoT there instead of upping the base tax value... LOTS of more income, and also the potential to make a profitable monopoly on goods from the region and a good representation of the fact that the trade lines did converge in, and go through, the sound (Sjaelland)...
Definitely a good point made here, Sjaeland in my opinion actually deserves a CoT far more than Stockholm.
It is a truth with modification.
The real policy, AFAIK, is that no new event text will be added. That means we can still submit new events, provided that they use only currently existing text!
If necessary, we could just go with the event title (from the sound due event) and a "drats!"-type option a, with no event description text included...
Actually, I believe the potential (not historical) Stockholm CoT is justified with the Göta Kanal, which would allow ships to enter the Baltic sea without having to go through the sound... I'm not 100% sure on that piece of history though, and I'm not sure if Stockholm would deserve the CoT anyway.
In case that statement makes anyone think I'm "betraying my country", please keep in mind that I come from Norrland...
Originally posted by Onslaught
It is a truth with modification.
The real policy, AFAIK, is that no new event text will be added. That means we can still submit new events, provided that they use only currently existing text!
If necessary, we could just go with the event title (from the sound due event) and a "drats!"-type option a, with no event description text included...
I like it.
I don't think Denmark shopuld get German culture unless it is made a choice with some negative implications as Tyrant suggested. Why doesn't Sweden have a CB shiled on Jamtland? That part of Scandanavia is part of Sweden today.
I don't think Denmark should automatically get German culture. Descent of monarchs shouldn't make any difference as to the state culture of countries, or else England at times would have Dutch and German culture, Poland French culture, and so on. Also, many countries held other territories of other cultures for lengthy periods of time but don't receive those cultures as a state culture, and rightfully so. In the case of Denmark and German culture, this would simply make it too easy and profitable for Denmark to go on a conquering spree in Germany; the German provinces that it historically controlled are profitable even with the cultural penalty.
Instead, to defend itself better from attack, Denmark needs to be able to defend Jylland better (it seems to lose this province in most of my games, often to very strange powers) and there needs to be better defenses in Norway against Swedish aggression.
An alternate history scenario in which if Denmark doesn't get Norway it can get German culture might be acceptable, though (but this couldn't be added into official EU because of translation issues).
Instead, to defend itself better from attack, Denmark needs to be able to defend Jylland better (it seems to lose this province in most of my games, often to very strange powers) and there needs to be better defenses in Norway against Swedish aggression.
An alternate history scenario in which if Denmark doesn't get Norway it can get German culture might be acceptable, though (but this couldn't be added into official EU because of translation issues).
I agree the swedish should get a shield on Jämtland and not Skåne. As far as i know Jämtland was far easier incorporated than Skåne!!!!
A better solution ,in-game, than the present would have been to give the danish an event of the same type as the Habsburg inheritance of Milan - But i guess it's up to the Modder'sOriginally posted by Twoflower
I am all for giving Denmark German and I'm kinda shocked by some misconceptions (well, not seriously, but I want to rectify
- Denmark did not conquer Holstein by opportunity, they inherited it in an entirely legitimate way. The estates of Holstein and Schleswig elected Christian of Oldenburg, the Danish King, as new Duke after the childless death of the last Schauenburg Duke Adolf VIII in 1460 and in the Privilegue of Riben Christian declared the famous rule that Schleswig and Holstein should remain "up ewig ungedelt" (eternally undivided) under Danish rule
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- there is one huge difference between German culture for Denmark and for say, France or the Netherlands: the Kings of Denmark were accepted as fully legitimate Imperial princes in their fiefs and granted these territories legally by the Emperor , thus completely acceptable to the German populace and nobility, while the Dutch Republic or France were outside the Empire and regarded as foreign invasors
And if Denmark has no shield on Slesvig-Holsten then the AI might be less inclined to abuse a potential german culture. But it will still not prevent a human controlled danish player from abusing it!
It's not possible to easily compare Skåne with Jämtland since Skåne had an infinitely larger population than Jämtland.
In Jämtland two neighbors getting rowdy after drinking moonshine would constitute a rebellion. However, with no third neighbor present - rarely would such a large proportion of Jämtland's population be in one place - there would be no one to report the traitorous behaviour to the king.
Yeah, giving Copenhagena CoT is an excellent idea, as is removing the Sund connection.
When should they get it then? With the sound due (1429) is way to early, the Hanseatic league (represented by the Mecklenburg COT) was still very powerfull.
Everyone here knows that Johan cannot and will not ever modify the EU2 encoded map. Separation of Jylland and Sjealland will require Paradox to rewrite the hard-coded map. We know for a fact that they will not do this.
However, Johan and Paradox CAN easily make doable modifications, such as:
1) give the Danish capital a stronger fortress --- for gameplay reasons
2) give Denmark slightly higher manpower on some provinces, so that Denmark can raise somewhat larger armies to defend against the typical Swedish hordes under typical Swedish blitzkrieg uber-commanders
Province adjacency is not hard-coded! The data is stored separately and somewhat easily changed as well...
hmm
maybe instead of giving dens something uber-powerful
like germ culture...
how about giving denmark ugric culture?
well in age of merc 1617 they start with narvic being ugric
and 1100 in population i think.
it would equalize denmark-sweeden somewhat without
giving too much away and there is always the possibility
of full beneficial incorporotion of one upon another.
maybe instead of giving dens something uber-powerful
like germ culture...
how about giving denmark ugric culture?
well in age of merc 1617 they start with narvic being ugric
and 1100 in population i think.
it would equalize denmark-sweeden somewhat without
giving too much away and there is always the possibility
of full beneficial incorporotion of one upon another.