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If you conquer all of England (or at least vassalize it), and survive until 1700 you will be able to form the UK, Scottish version. :cool:

That should be a 'reasonable' goal to achieve, if only you could get rid of all this inflation.:(
 

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Hopefully you'll get something decent out of this war ... not counting a screwed up budget, more inflation and war exhaustion. :D
 

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I am recruiting more in York as I answer "No" but if you look closely at that screenshot, you'll notice I am about to meet an English force head on.

When I saw this I thought you were so in deep, I mean up to your neck deep, maybe up to your eyebrows deep, hell we were going to have to dig half way to China to find you, you were so far down in this pile of poop. :D

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Fortunately the English don't know how to use their armies, and James IV is THE leader.
 

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Lucky you that that 35k stack didn't cross the river. That would have been a much thougher nut to crack then those smaller armies. As long as they just sit there in Bristol and let you continue sieging several provinces, I'd say you could gain from this war.
 

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Wales is also probably still of the right culture and have some defensive mountains, and it would really isolate the English from Ireland.
 

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I'd be incline to agree with General_Grant. While Lincoln affords more income (I believe) Wales is much better defensively. Plus it gives a nice base to use against Ireland, the West Country and Cornwall.
 

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I'd be incline to agree with General_Grant. While Lincoln affords more income (I believe) Wales is much better defensively. Plus it gives a nice base to use against Ireland, the West Country and Cornwall.

+1. Sound strategy.
 

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Good point regarding Wales. A nice right-cultured mountain base that gives a new zone of friendly waters, easy access to the south of England, and a stronger position against Ireland. Meanwhile Lincoln provides wealth and a 15 day journey (10 for cavalry) from their capital. Midlands is moderately wealthy, but could be a weak point from too many angles...

Of course, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Lets see London fall first, and then worry about which land would be best and how much of it to take. :D
 

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This war is progressing much better than I would have thought when it started. The English really didn’t make the right move in the beginning, had they attacked you in the north at once I think you might have been defeated. But now you have the upper hand, especially if you are able to get control over London. So what you need to do now is send more recruits to London so that you are able to hold out until the city falls and then you can send a peace offer to the English, maybe some money would do well considering your financial situation…
 

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Just the sort of plan I would expect. Is there any other? :D

Hmm... trading maps will help for starters, but that won't give you unoccupied provinces... Military access from Portugal could be useful, to doc at the Azores.

As far as leaders, that is a difficult call... Random event explorers can come after 1600 and require going Naval on your DP slider, at least NT 11, and Trade 3 (better chances at NT 18 and Trade 5.)

Random conquistadors seem a bit easier if you can get maps to the new world from Portugal or Spain. You'll need LT 11 (better chances at 18) and will have to favor Land on your DP slider (better chances going narrow-minded too).

If you manage to bust England down so they aren't a military threat to you, getting maps from them might be useful later in the game -- declare war and occupy their capital.
Indeed, one must continually be cunning to beat the pesky English. Thanks for the ideas. I like the idea of perhaps trading maps with Portugal if I can cozy up to them enough. Might even be able to some with France too. It's getting the Conq. and Exp. that will be harder. But if I can get some decent maps and access from Portugal, I might can get over there without them.

I had to catch up a few updates, and man, was I entertained! What an exciting AAR.
I still think you're doing very well, considering. But if you really want to destroy England, I suggest you play with England instead. lol

btw, is it possible to get some screenshots in normal map view every now and then? I (personally) think terrain is somewhat more interesting during war than red/blue.
Thanks! As for playing England, it is actually one of my "regulars" as it were. England, Brandenburg and Russia are probably my most played country. And I don't ever wreck England when I play them. I leave that for the Scots who somehow seem to be able to field a much larger army than I do at present.

I will try to remember your request for some terrain screens. I got used to playing with the politcal map on, and I love being able to see the sprites on top of it.

What shall thee do with the inflation? :p

Living with it and waiting for a miracle. :D
Indeed, I have little choice for now other than trying to keep it from going up too much further.

61% inflation...nice.

Long-live the neighbor bonus...for by it you shall survive.

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Yes, that neighbor bonus is helping tremendously. Anything helps when you have inflation over 60%. ;) Well, except for more inflation...

Or embrace it and go for the highest documented inflation ever. Considering that this is one of the first FtG-AARs, coz1 will have to raise the bar high. Really high.

I'll answer specific fb later but in regards to high inflation - I think this AAR already has that cornered. ;)

That's EU2. The FtG number is wide open.
True, there is a record to be set for FtG but I'm not sure I want to get up to the heights MrT and Rictus did in their AAR. That said, from my reading of Peter Ebbesen, it appears that if you are going to go with high inflation, either figure out a way to get rid of it early (via event, altered files, cheating, etc.) or just go full head on and pump the armies out, take the bankruptcies, and just rule the world. :D

I must say, as regards to inflation, I am so tempted to load a game as Zimbabwe and see how high I get the inflation to go to give coz1 a target :D
There is that as well. Might be a fun AAR. :D

That's just a scary-looking economic situation right now. It doesn't seem like you're in a much stronger position; you certainly haven't broken England. I guess we'll see what the future holds!
Not yet, no. But I am still working at it. And as can be seen in the most recent update, I can still play with the big boys even with my setbacks. Must keep it up!

We want an update! :mad:

Kuzux falshback!

He used capital letters and nicer smileys...:p

But no spam anymore, looking forward to the next update :D
What, one a day not enough for you? ;) Hell, I put out 2 on Sunday. :p

Hey coz1. As previously mentioned I decided to start a Scotland campaign to mirror yours and see the results. Well, in my first battle with England, France, Brittany and Burgandy all became vassals of England. At that point I knew I was going nowhere and so I killed the game. I may try again......
See... ;) No, try again. I think much has do with luck as anything else.

Good ideas. I would rather go for Americas as historically...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_Americas
If I can, I'll be going to those beautiful cotton and tobacco provinces. Sugar is good too. But I'll likely try and colonize in North and Central America so not far off.

Great update as allways;), Im wondering weather the French will stop at Calais
or steamroll southern England too
Good question. I would like the help, to be sure. But they are doing a pretty good number on the English in France at least.

Whew! I am sweating just reading this AAR!!!! Well done. Obviously the conditions are right for a Scottish domination, finally!
Yes...there were major, major victories. Each and every time I won a battle, especially as my army and morale began to dwindle after repeated attacks, I was so afraid I would lose all that gained siege work in London...I was yelling out loud.

Brilliant! :D

I must wonder what is currently going on down there. If Portugal has Porto occupied, and with you holding Anglia, a successful siege of Lincoln or Midlands could win you a province without too much trouble... It will be interesting to see how long you can hang on. So far it looks as if you have halved the massive army with which they started.

I've seen the French defy the Royal Navy before and make their way to Kent. If only they can do so again...
Glad you liked my Portugal ploy. I was rather proud of it. :D I'll get you a shot of Portugal's position in the next update. And yes...I am looking for a least a province out of this, if not more. I didn't ask for it, but it's in my lap now. ;)

James IV is THE Man!

Obviously your military genius helps as well ;)

Interesting that you went for a naval reform. James IV was a big fan of the navy. In fact, during his reign the Royal Scottish Navy was at its strongest ever. James commissioned some new ship yards in addition to ordering the building of the largest warship in Europe (the Michael). I believe it also had some fairly formidable armaments too - James was a bit of a gun nut and also reformed the Scottish artillery industry.

Damn the battle of Flodden :(
He really is. I was amazed at his ability, even though he really doesn't have particualrly stunning stats in the field and is not shown as a military genius as much as economic and diplomatic. But I'll take it.

As for the naval/land event - I went with navy as explained above - I felt like it was a good deal to take the 3 warships offered than to try and buy them. My navy is pretty small. Plus, being the A choice, I figured that's what he did historically. I would not have minded some land tech help, but naval helped not just naval tech, but trade too.

Well it looks like things might be picking up - those battles appear tohave reduced English foces a little too.

I sense the possibilities for forcing a truly humiliating peace on the English now.
Things aren't over just yet. The English still have a tricksy ploy or two up their sleeve. ;)

What will you demand from the english this time?
Good question. See some of the discussion below.

If you conquer all of England (or at least vassalize it), and survive until 1700 you will be able to form the UK, Scottish version. :cool:

That should be a 'reasonable' goal to achieve, if only you could get rid of all this inflation.:(
Is there an event for that that? One that takes into account it is Scotland rather than England? Any new flag or something? That might be neat. If not, I wonder, should I go Great Britain anyway?

James IV. ... Superman, roll over!

Hopefully you'll get something decent out of this war ... not counting a screwed up budget, more inflation and war exhaustion. :D
He is super cool, that's for sure. :D

Offer a 25 gold for peace!
You jest, sir. ;)

When I saw this I thought you were so in deep, I mean up to your neck deep, maybe up to your eyebrows deep, hell we were going to have to dig half way to China to find you, you were so far down in this pile of poop. :D

Joe
Yeah...they know not what a fire was lit by that show of arrogance. I fought the rest of the war out of spite, really. Damn their hides!

Fortunately the English don't know how to use their armies, and James IV is THE leader.
You've got that right. I don't know why they just sat there for so long. had they moved on my en masse, I would have been a dead duck. Still, Anglia is in a good position to defend against the south of England.

Lucky you that that 35k stack didn't cross the river. That would have been a much thougher nut to crack then those smaller armies. As long as they just sit there in Bristol and let you continue sieging several provinces, I'd say you could gain from this war.
Exactly - the Thames was as much a help as James methinks. More happens though that changes the battlefield.

coz1, CPU is stupid and it's not your fault ;+) If I were You I would take Lincoln - short trip to London and river.
Indeed, I cannot say this is my genius at work - well, completely. I do have to hand it to myself for at least the fortitude to fight them in the first place as well as some pretty good maneuvers trying to stay away from their big stacks. Lincoln is a good idea, certainly.

Wales is also probably still of the right culture and have some defensive mountains, and it would really isolate the English from Ireland.

I'd be incline to agree with General_Grant. While Lincoln affords more income (I believe) Wales is much better defensively. Plus it gives a nice base to use against Ireland, the West Country and Cornwall.

+1. Sound strategy.

Good point regarding Wales. A nice right-cultured mountain base that gives a new zone of friendly waters, easy access to the south of England, and a stronger position against Ireland. Meanwhile Lincoln provides wealth and a 15 day journey (10 for cavalry) from their capital. Midlands is moderately wealthy, but could be a weak point from too many angles...

Of course, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Lets see London fall first, and then worry about which land would be best and how much of it to take. :D
Wales too. Ideally, I'd like to take Wales, Midlands and Lincoln...we'll see. Each has a bonus. I would not go with just Midlands, but there is an idea to split them down the middle. Plus, Wessex gets a bit of a bonus coming up.

Another war with England... I hope you are in good shape with finances:)

Still English army is quite powerful to kick the Scots back.
They are powerful still. I will not be underestimating them, to be sure. But you will note my finances thus far in this war have been handled far better than the last time around. I'll make sure to do a small comparison when the war is ended.

This war is progressing much better than I would have thought when it started. The English really didn’t make the right move in the beginning, had they attacked you in the north at once I think you might have been defeated. But now you have the upper hand, especially if you are able to get control over London. So what you need to do now is send more recruits to London so that you are able to hold out until the city falls and then you can send a peace offer to the English, maybe some money would do well considering your financial situation…
Indeed, I am still wondering why they let me set up recruitment in Lancashire and Yorkshire. Had they marched right up into Scotland at the war's beginning, I would have been cooked. There is no explanation but a silly AI, I guess. :D


To all - great comments, folks! I appreciate all the advice and ideas. I need them with this enemy. As mentioned, the next update will follow tonight and trust me - it's a very busy 2 years. :D
 

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They are powerful still. I will not be underestimating them, to be sure. But you will note my finances thus far in this war have been handled far better than the last time around. I'll make sure to do a small comparison when the war is ended.
Sounds very interesting. Waiting for updates!
 

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Waiting for updates too.
I don't know how you can achieve such results, with that crazy inflation...:D
 

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Scotland Forever

So five times the English tried to break the siege of London and each time they were fought off. Thankfully so as it finally falls to us in August of 1494,

LondonFalls1494.jpg

As you can see, now the English are offering us something. Heh. :cool:

Still, I said no.

Of course, the question is to hold London or get as much as I could? Having a limited force, I decided to press forward. James is sent to Bristol while a strong enough force moves into Lincoln to start a siege there.

Sept1494.jpg

And still, the English sit there.

In October, they offered me 40 ducats for peace. I said no one more time.

Then the nobles got uppity,

Noblesseektosubjugate1494.jpg

I protected the peasants and got 2k messing about in the Highlands. It's not enough to take the city so I can let that sit still for a while.

In fact, everyone sits still for the next couple of months. While I siege Bristol and Lincoln with the smallest forces I can possibly get away with, England remains still in Wessex. In fact, they offer me 95 ducats for peace in December.

They clearly do not wish to fight this war any longer, or so I thought. I say no again as I notice Tuscany becoming France's vassal (event driven, I believe.)

And January of 1495 sees another flavor event,

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I'll take all the research help I can get.

By April, I have been able to reinforce in Midlands enough to start a siege and have 1K cavalry left over to send to James as support. And finally Lincoln falls on April 17th.

Then a small dance begins,

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Like a rotating wheel, I see England start to move some men from Wessex to Kent. When Lincoln falls, they start on the move again while my Lincoln force marches across the country to Wales.

Of course, I assumed the English were moving on London, but why stop there when you can march all the way to Lincoln? I dunno, but they do.

You might also notice a little something different about Wessex. ;)

I am able to get a small covering force into Cornwall too which was nice.

Midlands falls to me in July and as the end of the month draws near, I do the one thing you guys may frown at...yes, war taxes. Just a bump to get me over...I swear. :p

And in August, two things happen - one, Burgundy pays England 68 ducats for peace. An ill considered war, I guess. Certainly bad timing on Burgundy's part, to be sure.

The second is that England leaves Wessex for Kent. :confused: If they were going to go anywhere, you'd think it would either be to me in Bristol or to London.

Well, it's just what my force in the Midlands was waiting for...

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Wessex or bust, man. :D

When Bristol falls in late September, I offer England a peace for Lincoln, Midlands and Bristol. It is turned down either right before or right after they inexplicably drop the siege in Lincoln for a new one in London. :confused: They are confusing me, these English. Perhaps that is part of a ploy.

The rest of the English, however, decide it's time to face off with James one last time. They invade my besieging force in Wessex, now headed by James, in October...

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I receive some timely reinforcement in the battle when the army from Midlands finally arrives. It is the biggest victory yet! Jumping up and down, I nearly forget to pause. God knows I might miss something.

It is a sweet victory, taking nearly 10,000 Englishmen with it.

And just days before, France had settled a separate peace with England taking from them Calais, Gascogne and Bearn.

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As the English scuttle back to Kent I check the status of my other ally. Turns out Spain is back in this thing and giving Portugal some trouble,

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Not going too well for them, it seems.

I still have some business to do here, but I begin to think it is time to start wrapping things up. I don't want to see Spain come up my way anytime soon, even with my new found strength.

Wales falls in December and I promptly send that force to meet with James IV, leaving only a small covering force in Wessex,

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It is a gambit, I'll admit. I could have gone south to Cornwall and just kept it going, keeping England stuck in Kent. But their siege in London was going well and I did not want it falling back into their hands before the end of the war.

In March of 1496, I mass James IV with his armies and attack the siege,

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It is not pretty...

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My first loss of the war.

I admit, I was a bit worried as they still had a larger force, though few places to build. And with what money?

I soon found out when the English offered me this,

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