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Hmm, trying to fight alongside the french military against a common foe with excellent generals?
Insane!
Will France soon vanish?
And shall Scotland be left alone?
Insane!
Will France soon vanish?
And shall Scotland be left alone?
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I believe you are right. They got good and destroyed it seems.
Getting them out of Northumberland is easier said than done.Advice: Pray our merciful Lord
More seriously, youre situation is complicated but not hopeless, yet.
First you need to get rid of the English army in Northumberland.
It means that you'll need money, so war taxes, loans and so on.
EDIT: Looting, with cavalry, quite a good idea!
Good idea with looting. Had not considered it as I never perfected the practice. Now is as good a time as any.
Very good idea!
I admit, splitting forces has some problems once you are in a siege. I had decide if I wanted to keep the siege up or just cover. Read on. And yes, I'd love a siege bonus right now.Yup. Loot away...split off two covering forces from lancashire and head into midlands and wales (odds are any reinforcements the english send are going through yorkshire, and you can't afford to loose even 1200 men at this point). You get 2x the basetax of those provs when you mint I think. Not sure whether war taxes affects that, but it would be pretty silly if it did.
Good luck. and may the scots be victoglorious.
It's even trickier trying to just split off the cavalry as you cannot reorganize your army while in a siege. Grrr.
Now I had a few more than that.
In future, I need to have my forces split at the outset so I can get the cav out to run around. Good idea.
This is also very good advice. Read on and find out how stubborn the English are.
I agree though I was not prepared for the French to pretty much peeter out so soon. Had they offered more in the way of a fight for the English, I think we could have done much better.
I felt lucky at first...does that count?Split your entire Cavalry force off from the siege and send them south to loot and destroy any new recruits you find. You need to keep England from adding to the current force that you face. Oh and get the hell out of the war ASAP unless you feel lucky. Do you fell lucky?
Joe
True - it's gamey but part of the game. Some like it and some don't. I tend to fall in the former camp.
Thanks! Good to see you around, SH.
And thank you!
The French vanishing act is one of the more disappointing things thus far in the game. I fear I chose the wrong horse. Read on.Hmm, trying to fight alongside the french military against a common foe with excellent generals?
Insane!
Will France soon vanish?
And shall Scotland be left alone?
I'll have the next update soonish. Pics are ready and I just need to type it up. Thanks for the advice, folks. I tried to take it and do what was suggested with some success. There was a very prescient thought offered above. I'm sure Brian Roastbeef takes no joy in being correct.
Scotland Forever
The council spoke wise words and we try our best to do that very thing. The word of the day is looting. To that end, I break off two forces from the siege, sending one to Midlands and the other to Yorkshire. Once there I split off another force to head west to Wales and break off another from the force in Yorkshire to march south towards London.
Almost immediately the English in the south decide to show up for the dance. I get to London but not before we see some action in Wales in December.
The looting is showing and I raise war taxes again in December to really spike the bank. After another great victory in Wales (we seem to have constant superiority as long as the forces are equal - I have fairly good land morale thanks to sliders...I wonder if it's better than England's?) I try for a peace deal. At this point it's only at 6% still and I can only get 10 ducats. Not enough.
1444 begins with the victory in Wales but I see more English to the south. I think I'm done with looting as their forces are much larger than mine. Also, I got a nice pay day for year end and begin recruitment in Lothian.
In February, I send out my navy and meet the Ulster force in the Irish Sea.
I win in March and offer peace to England as leader of the alliance for 40 ducats. Nothing doing.
It's time to get everyone back into Lancashire so we can meet up with the newly forming army in the north. However, the English catch up to us...
When all my forces are finally back together, I am able to take the battle from the English and then begin a careful retreat north,
Of course, getting through that English force in Northumberland means retreating the minute battle ensues so I must take a couple of losses, though I was able to use my navy to get some men out.
In July of 1444 I have a war score of 5% and I offer peace if they pay 25 ducats. England still says no. And I had little chance to haggle further as France gave up Orleans for peace ending the whole damn thing,
The picture in France:
Of course, maintenance had already been lowered as I finished recruitment. I had a large enough force to take the battle to Northumberland. And now France is cut in half. All I got out of it was some high war exhaustion so I adjust the budget to invest in stability. The war exhaustion is causing the stab research to fall into the negative.
Interestingly enough, right after the war Brittany cancels their vassalage with England. Hmmm. Perhaps they got wind of other nefarious doings of the perfidious English...they annex Connaught.
I adjust the budget again to stop minting and inflation. Then in January 1445, we get some good news (I think):
He's just as good as Douglas, but two is better than one should I go back to war. However, from my reading of Scots history, most of these guys were helpful for battles towards England but even more helpful in battles between each other.
We shall wait and see.In June of 1445, I switch back to full research in infrastructure and in August I look south again to check my allies,
France is bloody neutered!
I am starting to feel as though I picked the wrong partner in this endeavor, with Burgundy looking far stronger at present. My fear was that they would spend too much time at war with the German states. France seemed the natural ally. Who could guess they would fall off so bad?
And then in October, England declares war on Castile and Portugal. I'll watch but I doubt it will effect things much on the Isles.
1446 begins with a pleasant event when in April a Saint performs a miracle jumping us up a stab point and lowering revolt risk for the next 12 months. I'll take it. And in May, I offer RM's to The Palatinate and Venice with both accepting.
As you can see above, I reorder my forces with Douglas in Lothian and Ormonde on the border with the infantry.
As the end of 1446 rolls around, I am working at doing some trading. I send 2 more merchants to Thrace with 1 making it in. I have 3 total there now.
And to start 1447, I marry into the royal house in Savoy. They are a good partner in war, one hopes. The rest of the year is rather boring so I take a cruise around England that takes me through to August. When done, I note there are a few forces in the south of England, but the rest is pretty barren.
In October, my naval tech reaches level 2 and we see that Burgundy doesn't have all the luck...
Seems the Emperor is not so disposed towards the Burgundian Duke and not interested in another failed King in the west.
In the new year of 1448, our stab is finally back to +3 and I am still at trading. I see a slot open in Flanders and try to take it. I am successful at first but he's pushed out by October. However, I get a wonderful event in December,
Like a brilliant Christmas present, I only hope I see more of these. In January of 1449, I can make a new slider move. Again, it is 1 towards centralization. To wit:
Not too badly and every step towards centralization means better research and production. I need to help there against England.
I look down and note they are still at war in March. But June changes that. Portugal does not appear to desire further battle and gives up Oporto for peace.
And in August our truce ends with the English alliance. I wait for the English to stack up on the border again. Surprisingly, they do not appear to do so in great numbers.
Finally in October, I start looking around everywhere for an open slot in a center of trade. There are none but the one I keep creating as I get tossed out of the center in Flanders yet again. Is it something he is saying, I wonder? I send two more to take it back and both fail. I hate trading!
Better, however, is James II coming of age...
We weathered the regency pretty well, if you ask me. Things seemed to have calmed down and I've got the budget under control. Research proceeds apace and though I am carrying more troops than I can really support, it's not enough to bankrupt me. And I'll need them should something happen to the south...or north, considering James II didn't have a particularly peaceful Kingship.
In January of 1450, I save the game. First Scotland,
Note also in the shot that England is having more WOTR events. The time is growing close.
But here is France,
One bonus may be that Normandie appears in flames. Perhaps the events are starting to get to England. I imagine war exhaustion may have something to do with that as well. Gascogne appears calm at present and I do not see anything in England proper either.
Finally, Europe:
Europe, 1450
You can clearly see England's growing influence in the region. And I don't like it one bit.
But we got out of the previous war without losing everything (or anything really but blood and treasure) and things are stabilized. Something must be done about our southern neighbors and I cannot do it by myself. I need help and France thus far has been a lousy partner.
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I'd say all is far from lost. Plenty if things can still go wrong for both England and Burgundy. That said, I would be aware of when to push them over the edge too.
Hurray for the deflation event it was well timed by the RNG.
England's power is worrying though but perhaps the WOTR can cause a full blown civil war in game terms too.
England's power is worrying though but perhaps the WOTR can cause a full blown civil war in game terms too.
Fantastic and very challenging war. Really Scottish style
And it is very wise to support France now in order to preserve the balance of power between London and Paris.
Really Scottish style And it is very wise to support France now in order to preserve the balance of power between London and Paris.
Yeah, I had a feeling... usually when a country's capital is sieged it naturally finds a way to bug out of the war... but it isn't really too terrible of break for you as it is questionable if any cash you could have received from England would have paid for the cost of extending that war many more months. As is, your looting and that deflation event managed to recoup a good share of the costs...
Right now, I'm not sure which is worse from a Scottish perspective, that England is doing particularly well, or that France is being particularly useless. How are your relations with Burgundy, anyway?
Of course, that doesn't mean that England has thoroughly established her presence quite yet. Its only 1450. There is a long way and a lot of difficulty for England until 1485 and Henry Tudor. Though right now it is a little scary that they managed to beat Castile and Portugal to the point of taking a province...
Right now, I'm not sure which is worse from a Scottish perspective, that England is doing particularly well, or that France is being particularly useless. How are your relations with Burgundy, anyway?
Of course, that doesn't mean that England has thoroughly established her presence quite yet. Its only 1450. There is a long way and a lot of difficulty for England until 1485 and Henry Tudor. Though right now it is a little scary that they managed to beat Castile and Portugal to the point of taking a province...
So this is what you get when tutus and kilts unite.
Whatever ... there's always another day and if you concentrate on being ready when the roses war, I'm sure you will be able to teach the English to drink Whiskey instead of tea.
Whatever ... there's always another day and if you concentrate on being ready when the roses war, I'm sure you will be able to teach the English to drink Whiskey instead of tea.
I think your plan to hit England during their civil war is your best bet at winning something. If you can get two more 'rich' provinces you will be able to go a long way in matching England when it comes to another war. Then if your navy is strong enough you can close the channel and cut off all those men on the continent. Hey if you're going to dream, dream big.
Joe
Hey if you're going to dream, dream big.Joe
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Aye, this is the real sticky part, I am finding. There is a time for everything, right?
Ireland, man? Are you kidding me?What about conquering Eire?
At this point, any war with Ireland involves England and I think we know who has more valuable territory right now. That said, I thought about it. I truly did. Initially I considered trying to just peace out with England and then keep it up with Ireland. I doubt that would have worked anyway.
I just wish I could get more of them. As for the WOTR, it gets interesting.Hurray for the deflation event it was well timed by the RNG.
England's power is worrying though but perhaps the WOTR can cause a full blown civil war in game terms too.
I know, right? Anything, please!
Thanks. It was all due to my wonderful council here.Fantastic and very challenging war.
And it is very wise to support France now in order to preserve the balance of power between London and Paris.
As for France, I try but...well, they are France. Actually, they do get a little help. Mums the word for now.
Yeah, it was rather a wash in the end. Wished I could have done more there but I was satisfied. There is definitely a long way to the Tudors, but the rebels don't always cooperate, I have found.
Had a bit more of an issue in there as well with something else, which we will get to.Trust me, that could have gone much worse. England grows every day and Scotland starts (and remains) pretty poor in comparison. But as usual, I think I have a cunning plan.So this is what you get when tutus and kilts unite.
Whatever ... there's always another day and if you concentrate on being ready when the roses war, I'm sure you will be able to teach the English to drink Whiskey instead of tea.
I agree entirely, though what I really need are some grain producing provinces which I won't hit until I get near southeast England. I've tried trading to up my support limit, but it's a tough slog. I can't get above 17,000 troops without it costing me an arm and a leg. And depending on how my merchants are doing, it's tough to stay even at that level. It's frustrating, as were a few other items.I think your plan to hit England during their civil war is your best bet at winning something. If you can get two more 'rich' provinces you will be able to go a long way in matching England when it comes to another war. Then if your navy is strong enough you can close the channel and cut off all those men on the continent.
Joe
To all - I had chance to play a bit today. 19 years and 140 screen shots later, I can tell you...well, the English are pretty tough. And sly too. But believe or not, they did not give me the most trouble during this time...it was...well, you'll have to read to find out.
I'll leave you with this teaser...
One of the stranger things that happened.
Another update will follow tomorrow. I am trying not to get too far ahead here but I have some time and as I said...a cunning plan I am keen to attempt.
Euh, right. If this lasts (Hungary annexing Poland), which I doubt, the Ottomans suddenly have it much more difficult to get to Vienna in time.
Time to start empire building in the new world. Sooner rather than later.
In 1450? Not in FtG.
Well, I hope the WotR goes well for you, but judging for that last update it'll just be business as usual.