For majors (and presumably minors), boosted advisors are a gold bump, not a gold sink.

[BaronNoir]

Upon a patch, I tend to play England first (England is able to mass build the new manufactures by penny pinching on the army in the early years, so that might give a much better early economic base). As I feared upon the reveal of the ''+5 level advisor'', the fact that a + 5 advisor carry around the discount from ''50 % cheaper advisor'' make it quite easy to get them early on. Dumping gold for mana is not a fair trade in EU IV : by 1620, I had thousand of gold in the bank, with nothing to spend them on, a +100 income and three five stars advisors....

 

[Brynjar]

So let me get this straight, you play as a nation that starts as a great power, you start with one of the best provinces in the game, in one of the best trade nodes, and you complain about having too much money after 175 years?

 

[BaronNoir]

Actually, I have more money this patch that previously.

 

[makaramus]

Actually, I have more money this patch that previously.

yea because production is incrased since ai buidling manufactories more and better resulting more production in trade nodes that steering

 

[bly08]

Dumping 1k+ ducats for +24 mana/year is an easy trade-off for any country that can afford it.

 

[PhoenixG]

imo only accepted culture advisors that can be upgraded sounds nice on paper, but you can easily temporarily accept an culture upgrade the advisor and ditch the culture.

 

[BaronNoir]

imo only accepted culture advisors that can be upgraded sounds nice on paper, but you can easily temporarily accept an culture upgrade the advisor and ditch the culture.

It's a moot point, since you tend to get advisors from your cultures.

 

[PhoenixG]

It's a moot point, since you tend to get advisors from your cultures.

well if you get bigger, you'll get advisor from all the cultures that you own. The bigger you get the more chance you get that you'll advisors that you don't accept

 

[BaronNoir]

I have yet to see events advisors that are not from your culture. Besides, to be blunt, I always thought that a +3 advisor of any kind was usually better than a +1 that is exactly what you want except in some specific cases.

 

[Brynjar]

I have yet to see events advisors that are not from your culture. Besides, to be blunt, I always thought that a +3 advisor of any kind was usually better than a +1 that is exactly what you want except in some specific cases.

You may have been lucky then, the majority of my event spawned advisors in my first campaign couldn't be upgraded.

 

[BaronNoir]

You may have been lucky then, the majority of my event spawned advisors in my first campaign couldn't be upgraded.

My bad, not editing to cover myself, I meant estate advisors.

 

[PhoenixG]

My bad, not editing to cover myself, I meant estate advisors.

unless you put estates on province with non-accepted culture I don't think you can get advisors wit non-accepted culture.

 

[Twoflower]

So let me get this straight, you play as a nation that starts as a great power, you start with one of the best provinces in the game, in one of the best trade nodes, and you complain about having too much money after 175 years?

Is it that weird too ask that the "Tier 1" countries that are used to advertise the game and that have the most content remain interesting to play for a decent player 150 years into the game?

 

[Brynjar]

Is it that weird too ask that the "Tier 1" countries that are used to advertise the game and that have the most content remain interesting to play for a decent player 150 years into the game?

How would more expensive advisors make great powers more interesting to play?

Anyway, I would think the main reason for introducing higher tier advisors is to compensate for some of the increased amount of development in the game. However, if the main reason was to introduce a gold sink I'll agree they failed to do that.

 

[Badesumofu]

Is it that weird too ask that the "Tier 1" countries that are used to advertise the game and that have the most content remain interesting to play for a decent player 150 years into the game?

What are your goals for the campaign? If you pick a major but don't set your sights high, you're going to get bored quickly.

 

[BaronNoir]

I would point out that the issue would occurs to, but just later, with any power. I did a very masochist game once with Kamachatka-300 years later, I was a great power raking the ducats.

 

[bbqftw]

Is it that weird too ask that the "Tier 1" countries that are used to advertise the game and that have the most content remain interesting to play for a decent player 150 years into the game?

The changes I would want to make a GP game interesting would make the game completely unplayable for a 'decent' player.

 

[BaronNoir]

BTW, my point is that this new feature make the game even easier for great powers, not that it's not fun to play great powers.

 

[FleetingRain]

They could make the costs beyond +3 be by a power of 3. Base 25 du/mo for +5 ADM power is ridiculously cheap.

 

[BaronNoir]

Or, as I tried to say before the patch, make sure that the 50% discount does not carry over.