For BBA, instead of Switzerland, why didn't the dev take this chance to revamp Hungary, Yugoslavia and Romania?

[tazaaron]

Switzerland is a waste of time.

Time spent on the majors and or working on game mechanics would have the majority of players happy.

Switzerland had nothing to do with WW2 to warrant any dev time and if somehow in game they are now able to conquer Germany the devs just broke the game and we can go back to the mechanics quote and it being WW2.

 

[TalyonUngol]

Meh. Personally I prefer the DOD focus trees to the ones in like Battle for the Bosporus

You are one of a kind man. Lol.

I rather play Bulgaria over Hungary. In a semi historical setting.

 

[Star Seeker]

Time spent on the majors and or working on game mechanics would have the majority of players happy.

There is only one developer making the swiss focus tree, and he wouldn't be doing any of those things even if he wasn't. Also, majors? Do you mean majors like Italy?

 

[Jack65]

There is only one developer making the swiss focus tree, and he wouldn't be doing any of those things even if he wasn't. Also, majors? Do you mean majors like Italy?

You are aware the team is like less than a dozen people? 1 guy wasting time is already enough, especially as another guy works on Ethiopia (lol) and from the track record the other guys certainly do not do bug fixing

 

[Star Seeker]

You are aware the team is like less than a dozen people?

I am, there was a now-deleted thread in which the director said they had 5-6 members. However, he also said that we didn't have the context necessary to understand that number, so we should be mindful of that when talking about it.

1 guy wasting time is already enough

If you consider it wasting time. And I will repeat that this developer would not be doing bug fixing even if he wasn't working on it.

especially as another guy works on Ethiopia (lol)

If you actually read that dev diary, the actual focus tree seems to be really interesting, like, unironically, so I would drop the (lol) here. I'm actually very excited by it.

from the track record the other guys certainly do not do bug fixing

Uh... what about the monthly patches they are doing?

 

[Jack65]

The monthly patches are waaay too small. Ask other modders, the issues they fix are extremely simple stuff, all in all the last patch e.g. could be done in a single day.

The last patch unfortunately even added bugs back (!!!). Like the MIC 1st Production Line bug, or unowned state causing CTDs again. Maybe you understand why modders are frustrated

 

[Star Seeker]

The monthly patches are waaay too small. Ask other modders, the issues they fix are extremely simple stuff, all in all the last patch e.g. could be done in a single day.

By your own argument, the patches would be "waay too small" even if they weren't focusing on them. Not all of the devs are people that would be capable of fixing those things (like the dev making the Swiss focus tree). And indeed, I would like to know what "other modders" are saying, hard to believe someone claiming such a thing without a sounce, especially one saying that fixing those issues is easy, as that smells like not knowing how game dev works.

I'm afraid the only solution there would be a custodian team like Stellaris', and that does not depend on making Swiss or Ethiopian focus trees or not.

The last patch unfortunately even added bugs back (!!!). Like the MIC 1st Production Line bug, or unowned state causing CTDs again. Maybe you understand why modders are frustrated

I believe that's because the solution they found pawned other problems, that happened with the "front lines being assigned to countries not at war with you" one.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

Switzerland is an important Minor-Country. Without it, all others [France, UK, Italy, Germany etc.] couldn´t do what they did. Keyword: Gold-Reserves and Economy to have Income.

And it´s the first Country, which don´t get to War [no Volunteers or similar] to stay fully Neutral. That´s the first Country in the Game which will be a hard nut to stay Neutral not to get integrated from France, Italy, Germany or whatever.

 

[Jack65]

By your own argument, the patches would be "waay too small" even if they weren't focusing on them. Not all of the devs are people that would be capable of fixing those things (like the dev making the Swiss focus tree). And indeed, I would like to know what "other modders" are saying, hard to believe someone claiming such a thing without a sounce, especially one saying that fixing those issues is easy, as that smells like not knowing how game dev works.

I'm afraid the only solution there would be a custodian team like Stellaris', and that does not depend on making Swiss or Ethiopian focus trees or not.

I believe that's because the solution they found pawned other problems, that happened with the "front lines being assigned to countries not at war with you" one.

Its useless discussing with you, just join the Modding Coop discord and see for yourself

 

[Star Seeker]

Its useless discussing with you, just join the Modding Coop discord and see for yourself

There would be a problem even if they claimed what you say, as I said someone saying that makes it sound like they don't know what game development is like.

Do the modders in this server know how development is like for the team? Are they awarded that the dev team is much smaller than them?

All of this also doesn't get around the fact that the content designer making the swiss focus tree would not be doing anything you actually want him to do, that the Italian and Ethiopian focus trees are looking really good, and that they are still committing to both reworking system that the community wanted for years like peace conferences, and fixing issues monthly.

 

[LeanLeaf]

Switzerland is a waste of time.

Time spent on the majors and or working on game mechanics would have the majority of players happy.

Switzerland had nothing to do with WW2 to warrant any dev time and if somehow in game they are now able to conquer Germany the devs just broke the game and we can go back to the mechanics quote and it being WW2.

We can form the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Third Bulgarian Empire, but Switzerland being able to conquer Germany will break the game?

 

[CraniumMuppet]

I am, there was a now-deleted thread in which the director said they had 5-6 members. However, he also said that we didn't have the context necessary to understand that number, so we should be mindful of that when talking about it.

That was people involved in patching at that point in time. Not the full team.

People always speculate how big the team is at any given point. I have never seen anyone come close to the real number at any given time.

The last "estimate" given as a fact for example that I read was off by an order of magnitude, so don't believe what most people on the internet tell you, for they are almost certainly wrong

 

[Hoi Neuling]

@ CraniumMuppet, I can only speculate too. But the Team must be very big. There are a lot of Freelancers (historical Investigation and Focus Trees), 2 Main-Teams from the Company (Paradox Developer Teams with Coders, Graphic Designers and so on) as well as Modders (which cooperate with the Company).

If I have to speculate, then about 200 People are working on Hoi 4 (esp. the Background Work is a lot, what I personaly know too).

 

[twillie96]

That was people involved in patching at that point in time. Not the full team.

People always speculate how big the team is at any given point. I have never seen anyone come close to the real number at any given time.

The last "estimate" given as a fact for example that I read was off by an order of magnitude, so don't believe what most people on the internet tell you, for they are almost certainly wrong

Still not enough people on maintaining the bug report forum if you ask me. Still dozens of bugs swimming around

 

[Jack65]

Still not enough people on maintaining the bug report forum if you ask me. Still dozens of bugs swimming around

*hundreds

 

[Ketchup & friends]

Switzerland is an important Minor-Country. Without it, all others [France, UK, Italy, Germany etc.] couldn´t do what they did.

It is, But Finland, Sweden, Belgium, Siam and Egypt are more important.

Keyword: Gold-Reserves and Economy to have Income.

These things are not really simulated in the game.

 

[TalyonUngol]

We can form the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Third Bulgarian Empire, but Switzerland being able to conquer Germany will break the game?

Im just curious what kind of empire that the Swiss will make when they do start conquering...

Wait...


THE EMPIRE OF CHEESE.

THE CHEESEMPIRE.

 

[LordWahu]

Im just curious what kind of empire that the Swiss will make when they do start conquering...

Wait...


THE EMPIRE OF CHEESE.

THE CHEESEMPIRE.

IDK

That one just seems a bit cheesy

 

[TalyonUngol]

IDK

That one just seems a bit cheesy

Theres a special Achievment for Swiss that if they conquer The Ostland lands, and then conquer Vatterbotton, they get this achievment.

We can call it: It Aint Easy Being Swiss-Cheesy.

 

[Maxwell Tornado]

That was people involved in patching at that point in time. Not the full team.

People always speculate how big the team is at any given point. I have never seen anyone come close to the real number at any given time.

The last "estimate" given as a fact for example that I read was off by an order of magnitude, so don't believe what most people on the internet tell you, for they are almost certainly wrong

Sure would be nice if there was an actual person from the company on the forums that has the knowledge, so we wouldn't have to speculate...