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Originally posted by Storey
Backpack you sly dog. :D I just figured out what you did to poor Ludovico. You commissioned pirates near Rhodes, which his navy this early in the game couldn't hope to beat. Very devious indeed. :D I'm a little slow sometimes but I eventually get it. :p

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Guilty as charged sir.;)

Shiver me timbers matey and welcome aboard! Here's your complimentary wooden leg, cutlas, and pet parrot...watch that lil bugger though...he'll make one heck of a mess on your shoulder if ya ain't careful...step along now...look lively:D

It worked surprisingly well...the gov't fell even faster than I had hoped...and only cost me a few BB points and about 130 ducats (basically my converted DP click).:) Having to load and unload troops from Rhodes while being continually assualted by pirates is not a winning proposition. That island puts him in a bad spot in some ways. It could have been much worse if the stupid Ottomans would have made peace. Then all of those revolter provinces would have flocked to their banner...instead of just sitting around doing nothing.

It's not too bad for him though since the morale drop resets after 5 years...the 20% inflation will probably go away...and...he'll eventually regain those 100 lost victory points...but...it was quite fun.;)

Edit: Makes that land-naval slider and naval tech level a wee bit more important.:D

Edit 2: Aren't you glad that you didn't pick The Knights...I mean...not that I would have done that to my good buddy Storey...;)

BTW, I had considered Savoy, Naples, Tuscany, Algiers, and Morocco. Tunisia IMO is the weakest of the north african nations and doesn't get the exodous of the Moors events...but...we did okay for round 1.:)
 
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and me who was looking to ally with castille against France...well looks like I now´have to pick a fight against castille....god damn :(
 

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really I'm a very nice person.:D It's just the job ya know...nature of the beast. I mean...how many people would be afraid of a pirate who didn't act...well...piratical...really now...saying things like, "come on over for tea and crumpets and we'll discuss diplomacy" doesn't quite make the same statement as collapsing a gov't and then asking...;)

I am sure that Ludovico will eventually beat the snot out of me if he chooses to retaliate...The Knights have a ton of kick butt leaders...and it is already evident that he is quite skilled in using them...from his amazing first round of play.:)

However, if we fight, it will only cripple our small realms while the other human players move forward. I am interested to see how this develops...much better than playing the uncreative AI all of the time.:)
 

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An aar, in a reckless post-modern style (i.e., without quality).

my goal was -
1. keep the ottomans down
2. consolidate my empire
3. hopefully grab thrace before the ottomans (saving myself from the event that turns those provinces from greek to turkish, even if i control the province, and giving me land connections for my empire)

what happened? konya's going over to the ottomans gave me the cb i wanted... war was waged. things were ok until i got two nasty events, bring my stab down from +3 to - 3 and losing rhodes to rebels... since i have to wait 63 years till my next turn, i went after thrace as well with 2 years to spare (the stab could only kill me so much after all)... the siege is still going on :( from the ottomans i foolishly grabbed bulgaria (should of picked konya, or just kept at the ottomans who i was crushing rather handily)... wham! hungary declares war and i only have 4 months left to play :( to top it off, i get a third event, either unhappiness of peasantry or meteor, can't remember... whatever, back down to - 3 stability

my last ditch effort was to let bulgaria go as a vassal killing hungary's land access to me... double brain freeze on this one - ragusa was in their alliance so this wouldn't work. maybe this would of worked out ok if the ai could get a seperate peace. but! in truly moronic fashion, i invite bulgaria into my alliance... of course, they now have 60, 000 troops in their territory. granted, it does save me some vp percentage (i doubt they can get more than macedonia under control), and lets the ai lose a ton of soldiers in bulgaria while i brace for a real war, but that alliance move wasn't the best call). hopefully my ai can do ok. as it stands i have 5 provinces, and not one has either my cultures (french, italian), or my religion (catholic). not to mention i don't have land access to any of my provinces... -70 income, dirt poor, ages to advance in stability/tech... things are not going well for the crusades.

so
1. accomplished, but have merely brought a stonger power into the region (can't wait for the hungary/austria merge!)
2. rebels have rhodes in control now, and are about to take smyrna
3. who knows what the ai will do. it has been a two year siege, with a blockade. might be another year :( and my troops are needed elsewhere... but now my bboy is getting up there as well...

a disastrous round to say the least.

napoli grapped duchy of athens. i hope they will see the wisdom of setting them free as a vassal, otherwise our ais will sure war us into the ground, to the detriment of us both. i don't see naples profiting much from being my neighbour.

well in 63 years time, when i take my next turn, i will have greek culture. hopefully that will be a saving grace.
 
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What an awful string of events.:( Just reading that post makes me feel bad...sort of like watching another man getting kicked in the nads....it didn't happen to you...but...you still feel a little of the guy's pain....;)
 

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Originally posted by Ludovico


oh yah, even better! napoli grapped duchy of athens.

What the hell is Naples doing in Greece? I suppose they were in an alliance with Albania and got sucked into a war. I'm not sure what it is between Naples and Albania but they seem to like each other a lot. I'm not sure I want Hellas so maybe its time for Naples to have its first vassal.:)

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Naples January 1461- January 1468

Let us see what has happened while I was gone for the last 28 years. Naples still has the two provinces that I conquered and has added one more, Hellas. I could make Hellas a vassal but I have decided to wait and see what happens in the next seven years. If they prove to be too much of a hassle I’ll give them their freedom but for now I like the idea of spending my summers in Greece!

I find I now have a navy of 4 warships and 8 transports. Seems a little excessive but I’ll hang on to them. I have 6,000 Calvary and 6,000 infantry all of them in Hellas. I send the infantry back to Naples and leave the Calvary in Hellas to put down revolts. My stability is at +3. I also find to my surprise that I have a decent Monarch, Ferrante I who is good at admin, average at military and very good at diplomacy. My inflation is at 12% and I have 159 ducats in the treasury. The only rain on my parade is that I am once again a vassal of Aragon. That isn’t going to last long! I’m also in a war with my allies against Milan. Unfortunately Milan is already besieged so there is nothing that I can do to get the province in my greedy little hands.

My goals for this turn are to expand somewhere in Italy. The problem is that most of Italy is in the same alliance as I am, Aragon, Albania, Modena and Siena. Albania is the head of the alliance. I would really like to take Sicily from Aragon but that will probably not be possible.

Lets look at the other players in the game.

Algiers is allied with Tunisia and they are at war with Granada.

The Knights are at this time an accident waiting to happen. Revolts in several of their provinces including Rhodes are causing them a great deal of difficulty. They are also at war with Poland and Hungary.

Savoy is in three separate wars with everyone in Europe. They are in an alliance with Burgundy, which is a vassal of Savoy, Navarra and Helvetia.

Okay here we go.

1461 and Naples sends notice that they are no longer a vassal of Aragon. Relations drop from +200 to lest than +100. Naples drops to 0 stability level. I also move the Offense slider one spot, which puts Naples at +9 offensive. I agree to a Status Quo peace with Milan. The next month Genoa joins Milan in an alliance and declares war against Modena, Aragon, Albania and Siena. I don’t know if I regret missing out on taking on Genoa or not. They soon invade Modena with 26,000 men.

Meanwhile Macedonia revolts against the Knights. Ragusa annexes Bulgaria, which gives them three provinces. I told you that Ragusa had promise. The peasants in Alexandria are revolting against Tunisia.
The Palatinat declared war upon Burgundy. Mecklenburg, Bremen, Prussia, Teutonic Order and Saxony joined the Palatinat. Helvetia, Savoy, England and Navarra join Burgundy against The Palatinat. Just what Savoy needed another war.

1462 and Modena loses in its war against Genoa and becomes a vassal of Genoa. Taurus revolts against the Knights. Naples decides that it would be a good idea to arrange a few marriages and starts with Austria, Albania and Savoy. The Knights have to pay Poland 21 ducats for peace but get a Status Quo peace with Hungary. The peasants in Cyrenaica are revolting against Tunisia.

1463 Granada accepted peace with Tunisia on the following terms: Granada pays 11$ in indemnities and gives Gibraltar to Tunisia. Granada becomes a vassal to Tunisia.

The government of the Knights has fallen. The peasants in Quattara are revolting against Tunisia. The peasants in Cyrenaica are revolting against Tunisia. The peasants in Macedonia are revolting against The Knights.

1464 and Venice decides to declare war against Denmark. Who the hell knows why? The Knights and Cyprus join Venice. Just what the knights need another war. I have finally decided on where to attack and although I would really like to take on Aragon I just don’t think I can pull it off so I’ve looked around and found little old Tuscany sitting there as pretty as you please without an alliance to protect her. So in June I declare war and march my 25 thousand-man army into Tuscany and defeat their 27,000-man army. I start besieging the city.

Meanwhile Algiers has been a very busy boy and annexes Granada. Smyrna revolts against the Knights.

1465 and Albania declares war against the Knights. Aragon, Siena and Modena join Albania but I don’t. Two reasons for this decision. One I don’t really want to expand in that part of the world especially against the Knights. They are in deep trouble with this war and I don’t care to join in the dismemberment party that Albania is throwing. The second reason it that I want out of the alliance so that I have the option of declaring war against either Siena, Modena or Aragon sometime in the future. At least Venice and Cyprus join the Knights. I notice that Bohem III has just risen to the throne of Savoy. We finally capture the province of Firenze from Tuscany and annex them. One more Italian province joins the empire of Naples!

I just noticed that Hungary has annexed Byzantium! The inevitable just happened with Castile declaring war against Algiers. Tunisia joined Algiers. Granada revolts against Algiers and Cyrenaica revolts against Tunisia.

1466 and Firenze revolts against Naples. It takes me until late in 1467 to recapture the province. A revolt in Apulia also caused me a great deal of pain. Calvary really doesn’t do well in mountains! I had almost 200 ducats in the treasury when the revolts in Firenze and Apulia started. I ended up with maybe two ducats to rub together when the fighting ended.

Hopefully when I come back for my next turn I won’t be a vassal of Aragon!
 
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Not bad Joe.:) Is that 6 provinces now, 5 with Italian culture, and no one has a permanent CB on you?;) Not bad...not bad at all.

So Castile has DoW'ed Tunisia eh? Guess we will see if the Tunisian and Algierian ai's can hold up their end of the deal. I really don't want those dirty Castillians in NA.:)

I notice that Bohem III has just risen to the throne of Savoy.

cracked me up.:D
 

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And so in January 1468 I return to my poor poor ravaged land of Savoy, finding that it has been reduced to but a mere shadow of the once mighty proud nation I left it as in 1426…now only possessing two provinces and at war with a major coalition headed by palatinate and experiencing raging mobs roaming the streets protesting against their having all their stamps confiscated in order to dispatch diplomatic messages to our allies in this great war…I decide to try to end it and palatinate undoubtly expecting to be annexed by Burgundy any day now gratefully accepts my wp offer.

Ending the long bloody war apparently had an instant calming effect on the population because they hardly protested when we the very same day decided to attack France…”wuhuuuu PEACE!! – WuHuuu WAR!” ;)….

With the war against France seeming to go quite ok…we attack Spain on the 10th of January 1471 and decide not to call our allies since its annoying as hell to have burgundy steal our sieges all the bloody time.

Arhh terrible news there is plague within our realm…:eek:

Finally in june `73 after countless peaceoffers France decide to make a separate peace with Burgundy (I wonder if that was wise!?) giving Burgundy: Lyonnais, Orleans, Lorraine & Champagne + military access…well atleast now we don’t have to worry about Burgundy stealing our sieges any more…tally ho!

In October 1473 Castille offers me a deal which I accept: Castile pays 144$ in indemnities, Poitou, Calais & Piemonte to Savoy.

And Finally in December 1474 after having dispatched countless diplomats with offers to France I see no other way out than to offer them terms even they cannot decline and they dont. So france hands over Doughine, Provence and Languedoc to Savoy….while France had earlier offered me even better terms in # of provinces these terms allowed me to make sure that my provinces were bordering each other…

It should now prove very interesting to see what happens to Burgundy…they have their wedding event some time withing the next 10 years I think…will they become Austrian making a Monster Austria possessing half of France and the Netherlands or will they become French and revitalize that dying country or should the very unlikely happen and is it the true destiny of Burgundy to arise as the new masters of France?!? :cool:….tune in for the exciting continuation of this true historical cliffhanger again soon…same PATCH same AAR…:D
 
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Re: Savoy 1468-`75

Originally posted by boehm
...raging mobs roaming the streets protesting against their having all their stamps confiscated in order to dispatch diplomatic messages to our allies in this great war…

LOL:D Nice update boehm.:)
 

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Way to go Boehm!:) I was wondering what you would do to resurrect Savoy and you didn't waste time doing it.:) Is Burgundy still your vassal and how does that effect the wedding event that you mentioned?

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Originally posted by Storey
Way to go Boehm!:) I was wondering what you would do to resurrect Savoy and you didn't waste time doing it.:) Is Burgundy still your vassal and how does that effect the wedding event that you mentioned?

Joe

It doesnt...unfortunately...they just get annexed by either Austria (85% chance), France (85% chance of 15%) or they dont (100% chance of a 15% chance of a 15% chance...)
 

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Re: Savoy 1468-`75

Originally posted by boehm

.while France had earlier offered me even better terms in # of provinces these terms allowed me to make sure that my provinces were bordering each other…

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Smart move Boehm. That's what killed you the first time around. The AI should be able to hold these provinces for you if they're linked.;)

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Re: Re: Savoy 1468-`75

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Smart move Boehm. That's what killed you the first time around. The AI should be able to hold these provinces for you if they're linked.;)

Joe

I think what killed me was that I was allied to Burgundy ...the raging warmonster...which put me at war with all off Castille, Portugal, Aragon, Austria, France, Poland, etc etc etc
 

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Re: Re: Re: Savoy 1468-`75

Originally posted by boehm


I think what killed me was that I was allied to Burgundy ...the raging warmonster...which put me at war with all off Castille, Portugal, Aragon, Austria, France, Poland, etc etc etc

:D Your right. One of the reasons I dropped out of the Albanian alliance was because they insisted on DOWing someone/anyone in the Balkans. When we started this game I felt that being in the right alliance was going to be very important. The problem is picking the right alliance.;)

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Yes that alliance really took a bite out of me.

Macedonia to Albania.
Smyrna to Aragon.

And the other alliance, Bulgaria (my vassal) to Ragusa and Thrace to Hungary.

Must of been my government collapse. :(
 

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Originally posted by Ludovico
Yes that alliance really took a bite out of me.

Macedonia to Albania.
Smyrna to Aragon.

And the other alliance, Bulgaria (my vassal) to Ragusa and Thrace to Hungary.

Must of been my government collapse. :(

OUCH!:( I said they were throwing a dismemberment party for you but I didn't know how bad it was going to be. If things become impossible maybe we can agree on you changing to another country on the list. Ragusa is kicking some butt right now.:)

Joe