- For 1.3x patch - Shogunate & Daimyo system so weird, must be fixed!

[Jet Tengu]

Thanks for 1.24 'Japan' & 1.29 'Manchu' patch.. But we know that still there are many things to improve Japan in EU4.

I know that this is Europa Universalis, so it is more important to take care about European countries first.
But still I know those hard works, to improve Japan in EU4, by you dev team.

Once gain, I'll expect your efforts to make Japan more better, by suggesting my ideas.


TL;DR

• No more infinite Daimyo swarm. Need some limitations to be a Daimyo
• To be a Daimyo, a country must be either one of them...
  • Capital is geographically within Japan
  • Primary Culture is Japanese group
  • Religion is Shinto, while being close to Japanese islands
• Both decisions to unify Japan, must be fixed
  • Require more provinces to TRUELY unify Japan
  • Let it just unify Japan, when some daimyos left outside Japan
• Let Japan tag also have daimyo vassals (but with some penalties)
• A Shogunate must be Empire rank, when it is an End-tag country

--- Shogunate & Daimyo system so weird, must be fixed! ---

Index​

• No more infinite daimyo swarm! - Need limitations to be a daimyo vassal
• Improving 'Unite Japan' decision
  • Are you sure you have gained the 'solid foothold' to unite Japan?
  • Japan can still hold daimyos, can gain permanent claims
• Improving 'Japan is United' decision
  • I already completely united the islands, but WHY?!
  • No daimyos! ..But are you sure you've really united Japan?
• Miscellaneous
  • A shogunate country can become Empire, when it is either Japan itself, or the End-game tag.
  • Typos, in daimyos' NI

『No more infinite daimyo swarm - Need limitations to be a daimyo vassal』

In current version, Shogunate mechanic is expected to show the chaotic situation in Sengoku period, warring states not under control of the Shogunate..

But in reality, it just works for 'infinite daimyo swarm', which is OP, and less-motivate to form Japan.

What the... what a world-wide global shogunate it is...
Again, this is NOT what the shogunate mechanic supposed to be.
And it un-motivates to form Japan!

Especially, anyone can become daimyos, even if they are...

• neither geographically within Japan,
• nor culturally Japanese,
• nor religiously Japanese

...Isn't it so weird?


I want this to be fixed.
To do this, first, the Shogunate must be allowed to also own normal vassals.
And, there should be some limitations to let a country be a daimyo.

A country can become a daimyo, when...

• The country's capital is within Japan region (regardless of culture & religion. See Crimson provinces in the map below)

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Or...​

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• If the country's capital is a coastal province, within either one of these regions.. (see Orange provinces in the map)
  • Far East super region (except Japan)
  • Manchuria region
• The country must be either one of them
  • Primary culture is in Japanese group
  • State religion is Shinto

Any shogun's vassal not meeting none of these cannot become a daimyo.
And any ex-daimyo not meeting none of these, will be forcibly become a normal vassal state with Feudal Nobility reform.


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[Jet Tengu]

... they'll just force convert their vassals to shinto anyway.
EDIT: I realized that I explained the counter to my own argument in my last sentence. You can still do a Daimyo swarm WC by just force converting vassal. Sure. That's a fair suggestion; take my green checkmark.

Thanks for THIS advice.

Right, the shogunate will just convert Asian vassals to make them daimyos...

So here's my further idea.

• One in Asian continent can be a daimyo, when it has Japanese group as the primary culture.
• One in '1910s' Colony of Japan' can be a daimyo, when it is either Japanese or Shinto.

There are no direct connection between Shogunate system & Empire of Japan's border in 1910s, I know.

This is because, it's a good ways to indicate 'being close to Japan'.
And even before the annexation of Korea, these areas have been deeply related to Japanese history.

Also I suggest for Nippon trade node to be like this.
If Nippon node is set in this way, it'll be simpler to set the condition to be daimyos.

 

[Eruth]

I'm getting a lot of mentions from this thread in my notifications, just want to make sure everyone knows that when I said I wasn't reading this thread, anymore, I meant it.

 

[y-koron]

Basically, strict limitations are spoil players' fun a lot.
But it's true that Shogunate OP because virtually, there is no disadvantage for Shogunate once first war era was ended.

So, its is suitable to add some debuffs.
1. No vassal incomes
Shogunate is very decentralized government.
Especially there aren't any financial control against Daimyos.

2. Low administrate efficiency
Shogunate is council system and became inefficient for various problems due to resistance form the old schools.

and so on.

Ideally, Hybrid of HRE system and Mandate system is very suitable for Shogunate, I think...

 

[CPU Taro]

I really like your daimyo system.　とても面白いです。

 

[Jet Tengu]

(It's too late, but anyway..) HAPPY NEW YEAR 2021

I really like your daimyo system.　とても面白いです。

ありがとうございます。Thanks for watching!

 

[Me_]

Japan really needs another pass to deal with the weird interactions between the rules of the Shogunate and the Daimyos. It has a lot of unique content, but it is quite disappointing that said content is left to hang around exploitable and convoluted systems.