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So far I like the game except some countries that are oversized (Schweiz was mentioned earlier), and for me there are too few provinces, the map from HoI 2 would fit EU2 quite good acctually, besides some minor changes, or even better the Victoria map..

Then something that I really hope will be integrated in the "nation building" is vazalisation and some kind of unions. Lets say you are far into the game and you have a big empire, how realistic is it that france owns the british isels. I would like that you could get a union (or vazalisation) with a country after you own all the land but then give it away just like in Crusader Kings. BUT it should be more realisitc to control other countries and realtions with those shouldn't turn bad just because of a war. No, such relations could, with quite easy handling, last for hundreds of years, that in the end would develope some kind of World War with blocks fighting each other.
I have heard about it and it sounds like the game is moving in the right direction. I really hope there will be some more and deeper diplomacy with other countries, for example setting up same strategies against other countries.
Right now I just sitting back and enjoying how great EU 3 looks like and imaging how fantastic the final product will be.
 

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seboden said:
I guess it is a restriction placed by the government form - Feudal monarchy.
Makes sense that you'd have to be somewhat aristocratic.
Mmm, that makes more sense. A lot more sense.
 

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ooo nice, very nice. can't wait till it comes out.
 
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I thought effective control was lost in '51.

Talbot was sent to relieve Bordeaux and the surrounding area, which he did. He was successful - undoing all of Charles VII's re-conquests of Gascony - until Castillion, when he was killed, and the HYW (with the benefit of hindsight, of course) effectively came to an end.

You can read about the battle here, and here .

There are plenty of sources on the 1453 re-conquest of Gascony - suffice to say that until - I would guess - august of 1453, the area should be controlled by England :)

Xenophon said:
After the reconquest of Normandy in 1450, Charles VII sent his lieutenant general, comte de Dunois, with a large French army to reconquer Guyenne in 1451. The English had relied considerably on the loyality of a large number of Gascons in their long association with the English king for the regional defense against attacks by the French king. The English deployed few troops in the region and the pro-English Gascons (whose number was lessening as French fortunes were dramatically changing in the north) were unable to resist the military onslaught of the royal army. Guyenne was regained in remarkably short time. The successful campaign of reconquest ended with the 30 June 1451 French entrance into the regional capital, Bordeaux.
Unhappy with the new French regime, particularly with constraints on the lucrative trade with England, the merchant-oriented leaders of Bordeaux sent a delegation to London and convinced the English king, Henry VI, to send an army. The famous veteran, John Talbot, now in his mid-seventies, was appointed to lead the expedition of 3,000 men that landed in Guyenne 17 October 1452. Immediately, the citizens of Bordeaux opened their gates to Talbot, ejecting the surprised French garrison. Many towns in Guyenne quickly followed in reasserting their loyalty to the English, and Charles VII's 1451 reconquest was undone.
Strategically, the French had been surprised. They had believed that the English expedition was going to be sent to Normandy. It was not until mid-summer of 1453, that Charles VII assembled an invasion force for Guyenne. Three French armies approached western Guyenne, the Bordelais: one from the northeast, one from the east, and one from southeast. Charles VII followed with a reserve army.
Talbot's son, Lord de Lisle, arrived in Bordeaux with additional English troops, that brought the English contingent to nearly 6,000. As usual, the English counted on augmenting their army with loyal Gascons, a potential to assemble more men than any royal invasion army. So the separate French armies advanced carefully...

...Talbot's defeat left no field army in Guyenne to support the English cause. The Gascon towns quickly surrendered as the French artillery approached. When Bordeaux again surrendered to Charles VII (10 October), the real combat portion of the Hundred Years' War was over.
:)
 
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I have some questions:
1. What is that new list button in the upper right corner?
2. What are the buttons under interface on the right (arrow in a square and a house in a square)?
3. Why is number next to diplomats? face is green? what does this mean?
4. What does flags of armies that are not horisontal simbolise?
5. Is yellow number under soldier's figure an indicator of autorecruiting?

Thank you in advance.
 

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mandead said:
Talbot was sent to relieve Bordeaux and the surrounding area, which he did. He was successful - undoing all of Charles VII's re-conquests of Gascony - until Castillion, when he was killed, and the HYW (with the benefit of hindsight, of course) effectively came to an end.

You can read about the battle here.

There are plenty of sources on the 1453 re-conquest of Gascony - suffice to say that until - I would guess - august of 1453, the area should be controlled by England :)
ah, ok. thanks!

how would you present this gamewise? as english territory (with cores?) or as franch territory (with cores) under temporary english occupation?
 
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ah, ok. thanks!

how would you present this gamewise? as english territory (with cores?) or as franch territory (with cores) under temporary english occupation?

Read my updated post :)

With regards to how I would do this (ie, probably very differently to how Paradox would do it; I imagine they will simply have England controlling Calais, regardless of it being incorrect :() - and going by the core system which has been explained, England would begin with cores on Normandy & Aquitaine, and of course Calais.

England would own/control Calais, and control Gascogne and perhaps the province just above it (I can't make out what it's called on the screenshots I have at hand here) until October 10th, the day Bordeaux - the capital of Gascogne, and thus the heart of the province - surrendered to King Charles.

However, we've been told you only lose a core if you don't fight for it (after having lost it, obviously) for 25 years, so England should definitely start with cores on Normandy & Aquitaine.

Talbot will of course be a leader at game start up until July 17th, when he dies at Castillion - along with most of his army. This should be reflected in-game, of course :D

Anything else?
 
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Flexible Nation Building, I just love it... :cool:
 

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This sounds promising!
An easy way to build province improvements... no more province hunting just to build the same stuff everywhere with click after click after click....

Sounds like the perfect middle road between the micro- and macromanagement camps.
 

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I expect they decided to start the game with France and England at peace ; Calais as English, and the rest as French/Minor as the case may be.

Otherwise we're just back to square one, ie, the EU II situation where by 1500, England or France owned half of the other's heartland, because they don't stop the war when they should.
 
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Guillaume HJ said:
I expect they decided to start the game with France and England at peace ; Calais as English, and the rest as French/Minor as the case may be.

Otherwise we're just back to square one, ie, the EU II situation where by 1500, England or France owned half of the other's heartland, because they don't stop the war when they should.

That doesn't matter. England & France should be at war in july of 1453 - no doubt about it.

There are loads of situations where ahistorical outcomes are almost certain, especially should the player be in control of the situation; the player can start at any date though, so I see no problem here :)