flags wrong ?

[mr.playa]

hello
at first i want to thank paradox for this great game

i really enjoyed it and spent the last 2 days playing it

i just bought the game 2 days ago and i updated it
and my checksum is correct

yet there is something with the arab flags

i think they are wrong cause we never used sympols like cross or eagles on our flags

i searched in google and no one seemed to have this problem so i thought it might not be a bug put here it is

here is what the flags look like








i also would like to know
i searched all the dynasties in the game and never found the Umyyad dynasty is it not included there should be some alive members that are left at that time i guess specially somewhere around spain

sorry about my English if there is any mistakes
and thank u very much

 

[Lord Finnish]

When those titles have no owners, as now, they are using default flags which are automatically the Western style ones. If a Muslim ruler creates the Kingdom of Syria for example, its flag and name will change to Islamic variants thereof. It also works the other way around: if a Muslim ruler conquers France and usurps the Kingdom of France, its flag will change to the Islamic variant and the Kingdom's name will change to Sultanate.

 

[mr.playa]

aha i see thanks a lot for the fast response

i just noticed that the dynasty that is decanted from prophet Mohammed in mecca have a christian coat of arms

yet all the other Islamic dynasty have Islamic coats

 

[Ols]

I think that's because the dynasty was founded before Islam, so it therefore does not use Islamic symbolism. I don't know if it's actually accurate, but it's probably an attempt to simulate Arianist symbolism (Prophet Muhammad was exposed to Arianism earlier in his life when he journeyed into the Levant) or the Meccan "pagan" religion of the people that Prophet Mohammed descended from.
Please don't count that as authoritative though, it could just be an error in design.

 

[mr.playa]

will it has to be an error
what u say is true

put when islam started all that changed

yet its true we did not have coats of arms like the west put still its an error

i hope paradox fix it in the new patch

yet with all that its still a great game

i always wanted to relive these times as Muslim ruler and paradox made that happen

thanks again for all the quick responses

 

[JonStryker]

Oddly enough this wasn't always the case. In 1.06 the default-flags of kingdoms/empires in the Muslim area were the Muslim ones. I could be wrong, though.

 

[mr.playa]

so u think its an error in the new patch ??


i started a game and its still the same

i dont know i hope there is a fix for it

 

[Fishman786]

Are you using Project Balance mod? That alters the Arab flags a bit. I usually change it back.

BTW, the Hashimites have a Christian-style CoA probably to specifically give them an eagle.

 

[solamyas]

1.06 flags did not change. I dont like random muslim flags and play with modified religions file.

muslim = {
has_coa_on_barony_only = yes

 

[mr.playa]

no i did not use any mods just installed and downloaded the update and started playing
all the flags are right its just these 3 titles that are wrong

i think its something wrong in the flags folder not in the game

 

[mr.playa]

1.06 flags did not change. I dont like random muslim flags and play with modified religions file.

how to apply this fix ??

 

[Fishman786]

no i did not use any mods just installed and downloaded the update and started playing
all the flags are right its just these 3 titles that are wrong

i think its something wrong in the flags folder not in the game nor the dlc

Kingdoms of Syria, Arabia and Persia do not exist at the start of the game. If a Muslim country forms them, they will get Muslim-style CoAs.

The Hashimids? Don't know how to change that. I can't see reference to their different CoA anywhere in the .dynasties file.

 

[solamyas]

how to apply this fix ??

Find the 00_religions.txt file (...\Crusader Kings II\common\religions\00_religions.txt)

Change "has_coa_on_barony_only = no" line to "has_coa_on_barony_only = yes"

This change county, duchy, kingdom and empire flags to default but "strong claim" icons look ugly and a lot of flag have cross

 

[Fishman786]

Find the 00_religions.txt file (...\Crusader Kings II\common\religions\00_religions.txt)

Change "has_coa_on_barony_only = no" line to "has_coa_on_barony_only = yes"

This change county, duchy, kingdom and empire flags to default but "strong claim" icons look ugly and a lot of flag have cross

But wouldn't that get rid of all the Islamic-style flags and replace them with the Christian ones? "has_coa_on_barony_only = no" is the right setting for having the randomised Islamic CoAs on all Muslim-owned provinces.

 

[JMensch]

Really the Muslim CoAs need some love from PI. Hate to say it but probably a DLC or something to get rid of those randomly made ones that look terrible. More variety than swords, crescent moon, and stars. Some of the color combinations are terrible too.

 

[gnark1ll]

I havent played a Muslim Dynasty but it seems strange that there was no Muslim Dynasty Shields' equivalent. I had a quick google of some of the Medieval Islamic COA, and they do have a stye all of their own. Calligraphy abounds on them. I do seem to remember at least one mod that improves the random Muslim COA though, it might be worth looking for and trying out.

Surely this is an area ripe for a dedicated DLC?



P.S Here is a nice article I found while looking into this, all about Ayyubid and Mamluk Islamic Heraldry in the Middle Ages. http://www.appletonstudios.com/MamlukHeraldry2001.pdf

 

[solamyas]

But wouldn't that get rid of all the Islamic-style flags and replace them with the Christian ones? "has_coa_on_barony_only = no" is the right setting for having the randomised Islamic CoAs on all Muslim-owned provinces.

I think Islamic-style flags is wrong name for that ugly unrememberable things. Did you see default (or "Christian one") version of Caliphs coa, they bear the name of Allah in arabic script. Hassassins have ismaili calligraphy etc. And dont forget the unused-uncreatable title like kingdom of seljuk with proper coa

 

[mr.playa]

i agree

we used to wright a verse from the Qur'an or the name of Allah

if paradox would make ISLAMIC coA that contains the name of the dynasty in it in the Arabic style that would look much better than this symbols and would give
some sort of diversity between Muslim dynasties

i will try to progress through the game and see if i can create one of these kingdoms and report back

 

[Fishman786]

I think just using Arabic text on all the flags would be confusing since people wouldn't be able to tell them apart. But I wouldn't be against actual Islamic heraldry being used rather than stars and crescents (not widely used before the Ottomans).

I am certain that random flags will be chosen when those countries are formed. I've formed Andalusia many times, and I always get one.

BTW, what country are you in?

 

[Closet Skeleton]

yet its true we did not have coats of arms like the west put still its an error

The west didn't have them either for the first half of the game.