Flags of Greece

[unmerged(84599)]

Hello,

I know many people argue about the "correct" flag to associate with a nation and a regime. In many cases it is difficult to satisfy everyone since there are many flags in use and we need one flage per regime for the game to be logical. The case of Greece is much more simple so I guess little is needed to achieve historical correctness.

Until 1978 Greece never used its current flag (with the stripes) at a State level. The stripped flag was a navy flag or a merchant marine one. Therefore it is totally incorrect to have it symbolise the Republic. There were republican regimes in Greece before 1978 and they all used the plain cross flag (including the period between 1974 and 1978).

Therefore what would be right would be to use the plain cross flag with a yellow crown for a monarchy and take out the crown for the republic.

An example of the flag with the crown here: http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/72/Hellenic_Kingdom_Flag_1935.png

Also, if you keep the ionian islands as a separate state as of 1836 (which is correct) the flag should change if the protactorate from the UK is abolished as this flag did exist for a short period of indepence of what was called the Septinsular Republic: http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Greek_Royal_Flag_1863.svg/140px-Greek_Royal_Flag_1863.svg.png&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_flags&usg=__0fNqQw1aUdTBvaqFhIYdu5ELgjI=&h=105&w=140&sz=2&hl=fr&start=57&sig2=8_tE3va28lfjsh-Ae_y9yw&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=NdQfuy6vfWR4pM:&tbnh=70&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Droyal%2Bflag%2Bgreece%26start%3D42%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=yq6KS95iyfr5Bt-30eQN

Anyway, if it is too much fuss forget it; I just thought I could spare a minute to make a point on the flags

Thanks!

Az

 

[CaptRobau]

Did some checking up and you seem to be correct about your choice for the Greek flag.

Regarding the flag for the Ionian Islands independant from the UK that would be a nice addition. To be clear, you meant to show us this flag, right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Septinsular_Republic.svg

 

[GregoryTheBruce]

You seem not to have played Victoria, but that is in fact the flag that is used for Greece.

 

[Prinz Wilhelm]

In HoI2 however, the flag is the striped one.

 

[unmerged(84599)]

You seem not to have played Victoria, but that is in fact the flag that is used for Greece.

I have played victoria and taken greece numerous times... I confirm that this flag is not in use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hellenic_Kingdom_Flag_1935.svg) for the monarchy, at the begining of the game, while it should be the case and that the striped one appears at some point when you change to republic, which is wrong.

 

[Lord of Pain]

I have played victoria and taken greece numerous times... I confirm that this flag is not in use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hellenic_Kingdom_Flag_1935.svg) for the monarchy, at the begining of the game, while it should be the case and that the striped one appears at some point when you change to republic, which is wrong.

The cross flag is used when Greece is a monarchy and the flag changes to striped when Greece is a republic or communist state.

 

[unmerged(84599)]

The cross flag is used when Greece is a monarchy and the flag changes to striped when Greece is a republic or communist state.

yup and that is precisely wrong. .

The correct version should be: Cross with crown for monarchy
Cross without a crown for republic
Cross with a hammer and sickle or red star for communism (this never happenned but historically it would seem right)

 

[GregoryTheBruce]

yup and that is precisely wrong. .

The correct version should be: Cross with crown for monarchy
Cross without a crown for republic
Cross with a hammer and sickle or red star for communism (this never happenned but historically it would seem right)

Well, according to Flags of the World the two flags (i.e. with and without the crown) were both used during the period.

The use of the two national flags of Greece shown above remained unchanged from 1832 to 1970. However, additional flags with a crown were used by the Kingdom of Greece. For official purposes Greek flags flown on land should have coloured crowns, as opposed to naval flags which had yellow crowns.

(from here)

The "shown above" refers to this flag:

 

[unmerged(84599)]

Indeed that is it, but since the pupose is to have different flags for different regime the crown/no crown solution is good.