FIXED IN 1.02 / WaD : Three diplomatic bugs?

[Hastu Neon]

Three diplomatic bugs?

I'm playing Peru in GC.

1. I've noticed that great part of previous relationships of my country with other states are reset to 0 when reloading.

2. War among OE, England against Russia. After Sweden join the alliance and enter the conflict. After some other time (and fair conquests in Finland) Sweden accept a peace offer from Russia. Russia gives some Finnish provinces to Sweden and a Caucasian province to OE (first strange thing: Sweden was not the leader of the alliance I suppose) ... but the day after OE, England and Russia are still at war.

3. Colonial war between France and Spain ends with France giving Spain Foux (in the Pirenees).

Are these buggy events?

 

[Derek Pullem]

1. Haven't heard of this before - do you have a save game before and after?

2. Vicky allliance structure is different - separate peace (i.e. non alliance leader) can give provinces to allies.

3. Bug (thought this was solved in 1.01 actually?) but definitely solved in 1.02

 

[Hastu Neon]

1. Save game cancelled, sorry. But the evenience could be verified in my next game with Peru. Yesterday when I played with it I had +100 relationship with Colombia. I'll check tonight.

2. Ok

3. Im playing 1.01

 

[Hastu Neon]

I've noticed again that diplomatic relations reset at 0 after a reloading. I think it's easily reproducible, I've tried it with more small states and often happens. I could add that not all the relationships go back to 0: in particular, it seems that improved relations from gift are not "stored" by savegame files...

 

[Duuk]

I suspect only relations with GP are saved, since that is all that displays on the relations screen.

 

[Hastu Neon]

I suspect only relations with GP are saved, since that is all that displays on the relations screen.

This means that relations reset to 0 with other nations is WAD? It's disturbing make a satellite with +200 rel and one minute later reloading and finding rel to +0.

Ah, and I'm certain also that rel with GPs is reset to +0 (in general, two/three GPs remain with the right value, the others in the list go to +0). I've found other threads speaking of BB turning to 0 with reloading. Perhaps simply the same happens with relations.

 

[unmerged(6895)]

I'm playing Peru in GC.

2. War among OE, England against Russia. After Sweden join the alliance and enter the conflict. After some other time (and fair conquests in Finland) Sweden accept a peace offer from Russia. Russia gives some Finnish provinces to Sweden and a Caucasian province to OE (first strange thing: Sweden was not the leader of the alliance I suppose) ... but the day after OE, England and Russia are still at war.

Are these buggy events?

Ok, this is not a bug. People keep bringing it up because they don't read the forum a lot. If you are NOT the alliance leader then you may be given the option of a seperate peace.

Example: Austria and Prussia are in a war against Russia. Russia wants peace with Prussia and it offers 3 provinces, one to Prussia and 2 to Austria. Prussia accepts, but since Austria is the war leader the war between Austria and Russia continues, without Prussia interfering in the war directly. This is a WAD.

 

[Hastu Neon]

Ok, this is not a bug. People keep bringing it up because they don't read the forum a lot. If you are NOT the alliance leader then you may be given the option of a seperate peace.

Example: Austria and Prussia are in a war against Russia. Russia wants peace with Prussia and it offers 3 provinces, one to Prussia and 2 to Austria. Prussia accepts, but since Austria is the war leader the war between Austria and Russia continues, without Prussia interfering in the war directly. This is a WAD.

I was talking of another strange thing: Sweden made a separate peace gaining provinces for herself and OE. Then, obviously, war among the other parties goes on, but my point is that a separate peace shouldn't give provinces to other parties apart those who make separate peace.

Btw, my principal worry now is about relations reset to +0 after reloading!

 

[Hastu Neon]

None has noticed yet this? relations reset to +0 after reloading?

In all my GCs when I reload a game all relations with countries go to +0. Yesterday I improved rel with my neighbour up to +150 to get it in my alliance, game Ced T D and when I reloaded the rel was +0 again.

Rel with a satellite (which were very good too) went to +0 too

 

[The Yogi]

In all my GCs when I reload a game all relations with countries go to +0. Yesterday I improved rel with my neighbour up to +150 to get it in my alliance, game Ced T D and when I reloaded the rel was +0 again.

Rel with a satellite (which were very good too) went to +0 too

I haven't seen this. My relations remain after reload.

 

[Hastu Neon]

Oh, right, I'm using NA Vic + Strategy First patch .01

 

[unmerged(6895)]

I was talking of another strange thing: Sweden made a separate peace gaining provinces for herself and OE. Then, obviously, war among the other parties goes on, but my point is that a separate peace shouldn't give provinces to other parties apart those who make separate peace.

Btw, my principal worry now is about relations reset to +0 after reloading!

The +0 bug has been noticed by some although I must say I have not noticed it before in any of my games. I believe they are already working on it. You are using the 1.01 version right?

As for the seperate peace, they are officially WAD so there is no point in arguing with it especially since many people like this part of the game. However I do agree with you unlike most, but I doubt it will be changed.

 

[Duuk]

if it's a seperate peace, it should only involve the 2 nations and nothing should go to any 3rd party. Especially since the alliance leader can't demand provinces to allies currently.

 

[Derek Pullem]

The +0 bug has been noticed by some although I must say I have not noticed it before in any of my games. I believe they are already working on it. You are using the 1.01 version right?

As for the seperate peace, they are officially WAD so there is no point in arguing with it especially since many people like this part of the game. However I do agree with you unlike most, but I doubt it will be changed.

Three betas have tried to duplicate the +0 bug today with 5 different countries. All failed to do so. Which means either that there is no bug or its fixed in 1.02

 

[Derek Pullem]

Can't duplicate this

 

[Hastu Neon]

Can't duplicate this

Sorry, I've been out for a while... I've reinstalled my SF Vicky+1.01 NA (before I was playing with Paradox 1.01 and the +0 bug is still there. Every kind of relation is reset to that value. Please, consider I'm playing minors to learn the game. Could the bug be typical of SF versions of the game?

 

[Derek Pullem]

No - if the bug was there in 1.01 it isn't in 1.02. I don't have a 1.01 install to confirm or deny but we have checked with the latest beta 1.02 candidate and this bug is not there.

 

[Hastu Neon]

No - if the bug was there in 1.01 it isn't in 1.02. I don't have a 1.01 install to confirm or deny but we have checked with the latest beta 1.02 candidate and this bug is not there.

Ok, thanks

 

[Spruce]

The +0 bug has been noticed by some although I must say I have not noticed it before in any of my games. I believe they are already working on it. You are using the 1.01 version right?

As for the seperate peace, they are officially WAD so there is no point in arguing with it especially since many people like this part of the game. However I do agree with you unlike most, but I doubt it will be changed.

what's not WAD and i've posted a seperate thread is the following =

Poland has 2 full alliances with both Austria and France, with the exclusion of one another. Now I dow Prussia and both Austria and France follow, after some years France gets a seperate peace treaty and will give some lands to both Poland and Austria. From there one, the war is still on, most often you'll win the second round easely (you'll keep the occupied provinces). Once again the peace negotiations are done but this time Austria won't get any lands,

result = a BIG exploit, especially when you are in a super alliance (France and Austria are super nations), making one of you alliance members very mad (Austria in this case) and Poland cashing in big time,

ha ha :rofl:

 

[Derek Pullem]

Aside from France signing a generous separate peace to you whats the bug? If they white peaced on you when you were losing would that be a bug too?