Fix Fatamids
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I think you have to be more precise... How do they fix it? What is there to fix? That type of questions should be answered in your post when making a request.
They have always been a bit OP, especially when they do things like, you know, launch freaking jihads on Italy. In fact, that just happened to me in my first LOR game.
Really frustrating, almost impossible to play Sicily...almost. What with the constant Jihads and all.
Really frustrating, almost impossible to play Sicily...almost. What with the constant Jihads and all.
I think what Voy meant is...how do you propose that they go about doing that?
Do they limit Shia jihads? Do they axe the number of holdings that the Fatimids start with? Do they bump the Fatimid's starting decadence up?
Don't get me wrong. I agree with you, 100%, that the Fatimids are OP as manure, but it's really easy to demand that Paradox "fix something" without providing any conclusive suggestions.
I will start the fix discussion.........
My guesses as to how to fix the problem is threefold.
Lower Starting CA.
Raise the starting Decadence to 40%, maybe even 50%
Lower Moral Authority of Shia Religion......(probably Do it with Sunni's,Catholic's and Orthodox as well)
Also make Sunni and Shia consider each other Heretics(not sure if they do already)
Any other suggestions are welcome......
My guesses as to how to fix the problem is threefold.
Lower Starting CA.
Raise the starting Decadence to 40%, maybe even 50%
Lower Moral Authority of Shia Religion......(probably Do it with Sunni's,Catholic's and Orthodox as well)
Also make Sunni and Shia consider each other Heretics(not sure if they do already)
Any other suggestions are welcome......
No need to do anything about the Fatimids themselves.
Just reduce the frequency of Jihads (half to that of Crusades since there are two caliphs) and reduce the Invasion CB to target duchies, not Kingdoms. Or remove it altogether and have them go with Holy War.
Just reduce the frequency of Jihads (half to that of Crusades since there are two caliphs) and reduce the Invasion CB to target duchies, not Kingdoms. Or remove it altogether and have them go with Holy War.
My suggestion is just not to start in 1066. Yeah, you don't get the "full" experience, but a late-12th-century start always ends up more satisfyingly realistic to me. The Muslim world is a little less monolithic, the Christian Kingdoms of Spain have a fighting chance... The only problem is that France tends to cease to be under the weight of the English conquest...
I had a very fun game as the duke of Barcelona. Right when i was about to usurp the throne of Aragon, the Fatimids call a jihad on me.
Words cannot describe how pissed i was.
Words cannot describe how pissed i was.
I don't think raising their decadence could nerf them much, because in my experience succesful decadence revolts tend to actually make their target realms more powerful eventually.
I think lowering Shia moral authority (to increase heresies) or making the Shia branches all heresies of Sunni Islam altogether (like they were viewed by Sunnis) and enabling co-religionists jump in defense of invasion targets (and possibly limiting them for duchies only) could do enough.
I think lowering Shia moral authority (to increase heresies) or making the Shia branches all heresies of Sunni Islam altogether (like they were viewed by Sunnis) and enabling co-religionists jump in defense of invasion targets (and possibly limiting them for duchies only) could do enough.
I just wish they'd stop jihading me when they don't have any chance to win.
I mean, that can simply be avoided by bribing the caliph with a hefty sum of gold but goddamn just stop doing that please.
I mean, that can simply be avoided by bribing the caliph with a hefty sum of gold but goddamn just stop doing that please.
Why stop there, just say "make your own game then".
The symptom is the Muslim armies seem to be unbeatable in the majority of games. Have been since ever. Do I have to be a doctor to seek medical attention?
Personally, I agree that the invasion CB seems to be the main cause. Or make the war score react to battle results more slowly (if this makes any sense). The war score tends to increase in just a few months, seems unrealistic to me, you know: a few battles and it's over 50% one way or another. I guess it depends on how large the battle was, but every battle is large with the jihad legions. I maybe wrong
What is to fix?
Near the start of the game, theye were in civil war.
If you start in 1066 or 1080 or something like that, you will never find that civil war.
Only Fatimits jihading Iberia... bleee.
Near the start of the game, theye were in civil war.
If you start in 1066 or 1080 or something like that, you will never find that civil war.
Only Fatimits jihading Iberia... bleee.
No, but it's customary to tell the doctor about your symptoms and what you think is wrong.
Can Sunni rulers still join Shi'a jihads and vice versa? If so, stop that.
Also, the Shi'a provinces in Egypt ought to be Sunni. The Fatimid dynasty were Shi'a, but not their subjects.
Also, the Shi'a provinces in Egypt ought to be Sunni. The Fatimid dynasty were Shi'a, but not their subjects.
IIRC Egypt was still majority Christian at the start of CK2, so most of them should actually be Coptic. But the rest should be Sunni, absolutely.
Making the population Sunni could somewhat limit the Fatimids actually.
Yes, it would be a useful (and accurate) way to hinder them I think. Make the current Shi'a provinces Sunni (they become Sunni later on, but just remove those lines) and so with a mixed Sunni and Miaphysite population the Fatimids should have a few more problems.
My game as Castile hasnt even made it to 1095 yet and the Fatimids already invaded and captured Greece (Killing the Byzantines) and control ALL of France,but fortunately they have ignored me.
EDIT: They survived a Crusade for France and went on to take Burgundy from the HRE.
EDIT: They survived a Crusade for France and went on to take Burgundy from the HRE.
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