First WC attempt

[Kagerou.Echo.三葉]

Roughly 1/3 into game length, currently at 1.2k dev, how feasible is WC from here? Next steps im likely to take while waiting for the truce with Mamluks is go after QQ/Ajam, will partition Poland when I get the chance. Not sure if I should intervene in League war since both Brandenburg and Russia are in protestant league. Idea groups currently are Economic, Diplomatic, Influence, Aristocratic, (Adminstrative, Offense, Defense, Quality) are what I plan to finish with.

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

I strongly suggest getting Humanist. As for feasibility, it is too early to judge, but you have ample time

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

I kinda feel humanist is not really needed, since Ottomans have high tolerance to begin with.

Depends. There is also reduced idea cost and less years of separatism to consider

 

[Kagerou.Echo.三葉]

Depends. There is also reduced idea cost and less years of separatism to consider

Seperatism not an issue, and the reduced idea cost diminishes in value the later you pick up the group.

 

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

Seperatism not an issue, and the reduced idea cost diminishes in value the later you pick up the group.

Alright then, your choice. Good luck!

 

[bly08]

Idea order should've been different, admin within first 2 ideas. Considering your pace thus far, WC is possible but would be difficult. Manage AE, expand into India/Asia for TCs, have a dev/year pace in mind and match it. Can't really give any detailed advice without more screenshots.

 

[Cataphract887]

You need to get more aggressive IMO. Here is my otto first WC at 1564:



Entire empire is occupied by coptic rebels, so when that war ends ill flip to coptic. Also went quantity/religious/humanist in that order but maybe admin earlier would have been nice.

You need those trade company regions badly to gain the overwhelming power needed to crush europe in a few decades of warfare near the end. Every step moving forward should be about conquering india and china. You have money and manpower saved up;use it to conquer quickly.

 

[Badesumofu]

Seperatism not an issue, and the reduced idea cost diminishes in value the later you pick up the group.

Separatism is not yet an issue for you because haven't conquered much. That idea from Humanist amounts to -5 unrest in a newly conquered province and I promise you that that will become very, very useful later in the game. On top of that, having tolerance in NIs makes the tolerance in Humanism even better because it allows you to get to a tolerance level where you can more or less ignore religion. The problem you're going to have once you conquer wrong religion land is that you simply won't be able to convert it all, your RU will drop, you will get even more rebels and find things get very messy.

Idea groups-wise you're in a bad spot. Taking Aristocratic was a large mistake. Taking Econ was a mistake as well, especially in preference to Admn or Humanist. You've gone 4 idea groups without getting Humanist or Admin yet. That's bad.

Conquest-wise, you should be headed towards India to make trade companies for 0 autonomy rich land that doesn't need to be stated.

The year is 1563 so on that basis alone WC is still possible. But you've made some significant mistakes. I will ask, have you ever played the late stage of a serious conquest game? Your stance on Humanism suggests to me that you have not and that you are not aware of the rebel issues that you will face. It might be worth playing this current game out to see how far you can get and learn a bit about how things play out in the second half of the game. It will also give you practice at getting your Absolutism up which is of course crucial. You'll also see there how valuable Humanism is when you start wanting to lower autonomy everywhere in order to drive up your Abso.

 

[PhoenixG]

Seperatism not an issue, and the reduced idea cost diminishes in value the later you pick up the group.

picking Humanist also give you the option to not covert your province, since having positive tolerance to heretic/heathens doesn't reduce your religious unity. And you want to have 100% unity, since it effects to absolutism.

 

[Leron]

Unfortunately i can't see a chance to make WC in this run for you.

Usually you want to at least knock indian doors at around 1560, and you barely made any improvements to yours borders in other regions to compensate for it. Ofcourse top players can make Otto WC in 200 years and even experienced players do it in 250 years while starting in 1444. However for your first WC you need to be in india at this time to finish around 1800. Yours ideas group don't help it either.

Next time be more aggressive in the east and take proper WC ideas set (Humanist, Religious, Admin). If you plan to play as sunni then you can miss Religious but it's better to change to coptic/orthodox and go with religious first imo. And use yours current run to learn (at least play it until war vs Ming) many ppl will tell you Otto WC is piece of cake but for a first time its rather hard to grasp proper tempo.

 

[PhoenixG]

Unfortunately i can't see a chance to make WC in this run for you.

Usually you want to at least knock indian doors at around 1560, and you barely made any improvements to yours borders in other regions to compensate for it. Ofcourse top players can make Otto WC in 200 years and even experienced players do it in 250 years while starting in 1444. However for your first WC you need to be in india at this time to finish around 1800. Yours ideas group don't help it either.

Next time be more aggressive in the east and take proper WC ideas set (Humanist, Religious, Admin). If you plan to play as sunni then you can miss Religious but it's better to change to coptic/orthodox and go with religious first imo. And use yours current run to learn (at least play it until war vs Ming) many ppl will tell you Otto WC is piece of cake but for a first time its rather hard to grasp proper tempo.

Nah, it's very doable to WC it. From my Mamluks play at the same year, I've only a bit more clay then Kagerou and even haven't decided to go WC until 1600.

While Ottoman can go without admin ideas (not optimal, but can), not having humanist/religious will get you in to problem when you start increasing the blobbing rate. Unless you LOVE pointing sticks to the rebels and not having maxed absolutism.

 

[Brynjar]

Sure, it's possible to do a wc from that situation, but you'll need to increase your pace of expansion alot.

A major issue is that your expansion so far has been too concentrated to effectively spread AE. When doing a WC you shouldn't care about border gore, only economy and future expansion opportunities. In your current situation you should probably get a foothold in Iberia and India asap.

 

[DonVoss]

That's my current state of my WC Attempt, but i have serious motivation issues, as always at that point and i d'nt really wanne continue

That was the state of my game in 1563, sadly timeline doesn't show vassals and pu ad i can't quite remember which vassals i had, i know i had pus on england and portugal.

 

[gia257]

well hell have a lot of military ideas, so the rebels will be nothing I suppose, but if its a wc you should have admin earlier even if you already have it as ottomans, btw very doable, although will be harder than it should be, consider canceling economics at some point you feel you are rich enough to get admin earlier, you can keep aristocratic because it has +mercs and a diplomat, but try to get quantity after offensive, not defensive, if only to use the extra soldiers to squash rebels

 

[Vulkandrache]

well hell have a lot of military ideas, so the rebels will be nothing I suppose

If so the only thing you want is morale the rest just ends up buffing the rebels too.

Nah, it's very doable to WC it.

The main problem with people showing underwhelming 1600 pics and asking wether WC is still possible:
The answer is usually: "Yes, if you are good enough. But if you were good enough the screenshot would look alot different."

Idea groups currently are Economic, Diplomatic, Influence, Aristocratic, (Adminstrative, Offense, Defense, Quality) are what I plan to finish with

These group choices are all over the place.

1. You only get 6 groups to play with, the other two come too late to matter.
Maybe some military group 7. but thats about it.

2. Why would you pick economic first? Do you have problems keeping your money up?

3. Admin is usually within the first 3 groups. You can pick it 5., ive done that before. But that means youll be doing alot of Vassal feeding.
For that you might want Deus Vult for a universal CB.

4. Aristo is either a pick for really early or really late. Why did you pick it fourth?

5. The ideagroup choice and the choice of the order you pick them in is one of the most important things to consider.
You should have good reasons to pick them in a specific order, especially the first 3.

6. No religious or humanist.

Seperatism not an issue

So far you have conquered almost exclusively Sunni land in your culture group.
You will die the moment you set foot into other regions.
The -idea cost doenst matter at all. Thats not why you pick it.
If you go Humanist then the latest you can realistically pick it is 5.
Thats right at the edge of Absolutism. Before that you can avoid most rebels by increasing LA.

Next steps im likely to take while waiting for the truce with Mamluks

Its 1563. How and why are the Mamluks even still alive? You get missions on all of their land.
But from the first screenshot it looks like you dont know that you can cancel the large scale conquest missions after you started the cores.
They will reappear later, that gives you 15 years to fulfill other missions.

Not sure if I should intervene in League war

The only and i mean the ONLY reason to participte in that shitshow is the third-age objective.

both Brandenburg and Russia are in protestant league

Why not join that side then?

 

[SPAMbuca]

I would just stay out of that league war and take that as an opportunity to pick off some European nations. Above all, you need to get to the west and stop the colonizers from growing even bigger colonies as you'd have to conquer all of that.

In my first WC, I went with this setup:

admin/influence
quantity
exploration
humanist
offensive

last 2 don't really matter I'd say

with diplomatic, you'd be able to take more land. expansion lets you colonize faster. some additional military ideas are always an option.

 

[SKOTy]

I am doing world conquest with Ottomans AAR, you might want to check it out: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/world-conquest-for-dummies-2-0.1060447/

WC might be possible, with some heavy blobbing once absolutism hits, but to me it seems you're not aggressive enough as in my AAR I have 500 more development than you in 1525 (I haven't expanded into Hungary like you but I've already eaten QQ, half of Arabian peninsula, half of Iberian peninsula, Tunis and control Rome).
I do strongly recommend finishing the game anyway even in case you'll see that WC is no longer possible (as to me from your position it seems that you're too much passive), just for the experience you'll get towards your next run.

As for idea groups economic ideas are never worth it in WC. I'd pick offensive over aristocratic, influence before diplomatic (diplomatic are more late game ideas due to -20% warscore cost).

 

[Rocketskates]

the AI will develop Europe, India and China like crazy, get there fast, you can gulp down HUGE parts of the world later game but if you let those places develop, its gona cost you too much
stay out of the league war but do wage war on them asap, i mean, who cares what empire you gona eat, just eat them, i guess if you start a war with the emperor, the league will declare

 

[Kagerou.Echo.三葉]

I am doing world conquest with Ottomans AAR, you might want to check it out: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/world-conquest-for-dummies-2-0.1060447/

WC might be possible, with some heavy blobbing once absolutism hits, but to me it seems you're not aggressive enough as in my AAR I have 500 more development than you in 1525 (I haven't expanded into Hungary like you but I've already eaten QQ, half of Arabian peninsula, half of Iberian peninsula, Tunis and control Rome).
I do strongly recommend finishing the game anyway even in case you'll see that WC is no longer possible (as to me from your position it seems that you're too much passive), just for the experience you'll get towards your next run.

As for idea groups economic ideas are never worth it in WC. I'd pick offensive over aristocratic, influence before diplomatic (diplomatic are more late game ideas due to -20% warscore cost).

Start of Age of Revolutions I realised WC was no longer possible, now on 2nd attempt, just began Absolutism, farmed 76 on the 1st month thanks to particularists and lowering autonomy

I hold roughly 2.4k dev at 1610, gonna fire court and country then continue on my way. Idea groups currently are Humanist Diplomatic Adminstrative and Aristocratic, with the 5th unlocked but not taken yet.

 

[bly08]

Use all diplomats, collect with every merchant, take defender of the faith, and don't culture convert.