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I've restarted playing CK2 recently.

After one "test" run to see what had changed with the two last DLCs, I'm now about 300 years into my Ironman campaign.

Just to give some context, I started as the count of Parma in 769 (for the coat of arms, mostly). My initial plan for the game looked something like this:

1. Become duke of Ferrara (I wanted to make Ravenna my capital).
2. Convert heir to Greek culture
3. Become a great duke
4. Seize the throne of Italy
5. Swear fealty to the ERE
6. Seize the throne of the ERE
7. Vassalize the pope
8. Restore the Roman Empire using the puppet pope to call crusades

Easier said than done right?

Things went smoothly until point 4. When I became king of Italy, I managed to clean up the realm after two civil wars to increase council power. I had all duchies correspond to their de jure duchies, and all vassals to be my culture and/or my dynasty.

After this, I thought my realm would be stabilized, but no! I kept having these civil wars to increase council power once in a while, especially after my ruler died.

With a cleaned up realm, there was nothing left to revoke. So I let half of my vassals rot in prison. This was the only way to prevent subsequent civil wars to increase council authority.

Now, what I realized after all these civil wars is that a vassal can join a faction to increase council power even with 70+ opinion. They need to be 90+ to leave such a faction. The consequence is that, to stabilize the realm, about half of your vassals have to stay in prison. I'm not history specialist, but this does not seem realistic at all.

Anyway, I am now at step 6 currently. The ERE is under agnatic-cognatic primogeniture. I have the power to beat them, but I lack the claim to do so. Therefore, I married my new ruler to some 13 years old girl whose 53 years old mother had a weak inheritable claim on the ERE. My plan was to wait to get a male baby, then push the mother's claim. Since women can't get babies after 45, I thought my wife would inherit the ERE, and after that my son.

My 3rd child was finally a son. As I was preparing to install the now 61 years old mother-in-law as the new Empress, I GOT ASSASSINATED! HOLY SHIT! I had absolutely NO indication this was going to happen. My spymaster had 16 intrigue and relatively liked me (+40 relation).

My 0 year old son became King of Italy with the Queen mother as the regent. So far, during the 12 first years of regency, here's what happened:
- 2 civil wars to increase council authority. 3/4 of my vassals are now in prison.
- Pope called a crusade for Galicia, but since I was busy in civil wars I could not join.
- Mother-in-law died, the Queen mother now has a non-inheritable claim on the ERE (it will have to be pressed as soon as I get out of regency).
- Caliph called a jihad on the ERE for Jerusalem (which I had captured during the last crusade).

That's where I am at right now. I had to stop playing because... I'm at work right now :D
 
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"Keep over half of the vassals locked up in prison to increase internal stability."

That has been my most common way of handling Factions since the factions were added to the game.
 
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Italy has 12 duchies, 11 if you discount Latium which is probably held by the pope. You've got 5 spots on the council for vassal dukes. You probably hold 2 duchies yourself. That leaves 4 potential faction members in my calculation. Surely you can keep those in check? Marry off your daughters to troublesome vassals if necessary so you can get non-aggression treaties with them. That will prevent them from joining factions.

Also a completed Italy is one of the most difficult kingdoms to keep under control because it's such a big kingdom. If you've got a kingdom with 6 duchies it's relatively easy.
 
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One trick I was using for awhile is that when your vassals/council are discontent upon succession, you can always concede one right to them then revert the change later after the cooldown is up.
 

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Italy has 12 duchies, 11 if you discount Latium which is probably held by the pope. You've got 5 spots on the council for vassal dukes. You probably hold 2 duchies yourself. That leaves 4 potential faction members in my calculation. Surely you can keep those in check? Marry off your daughters to troublesome vassals if necessary so you can get non-aggression treaties with them. That will prevent them from joining factions.

Also a completed Italy is one of the most difficult kingdoms to keep under control because it's such a big kingdom. If you've got a kingdom with 6 duchies it's relatively easy.
I should have mentionned that I hold personally 3 kingdoms right now (all primogeniture): Italy (main), Sicily and Jerusalem (from a crusade).

I'm waiting to get the Emperor title to give Sicily and Jerusalem as viceroyalties (and get rid of the -20 opinion with the dukes there).
 

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Well in that case it's pretty realistic that your realm is difficult to hold together. Maybe it's an idea to (instead of taking the ERE) just create the empire of Italia, vassalize the pope and make two vassal kingdoms? From there you can conquer the areas you need to conquer and your last action before creating the roman empire would be taking over the ERE. There's quite literally multiple roads that lead to rome.
 
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Well, if my mother does not die during the next 4 years, I should be able to press her claims on the ERE.

If she dies, oh well I will use the (annoying) 2 wars process: 1) faction for elective monarchy; 2) faction to put myself on the throne.

Hopefully, she doesn't die, but you never know with this game LOL
 

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It might be easier to start a faction within the ERE to get the succession laws changed to elective. At that point, you would just need to win an election, which really means you only have to be the leading vote getter for a long enough period to assassinate the current monarch.
 

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Oh yes it's happening baby. My mother survived my regency. I survived the Abbasid jihad. And now I pressed her claim LOL.

I expect a faction war soon but I will help her :cool:
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It's just a matter of time before the Byzantine Empire converts to Catholic now :p
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UPDATE:

Mother died yesterday and I inherited the emperor title. I managed to convert all my vassals to Catholic.

Now I need to:
- Get rid of the council grant-title power (annoying as hell);
- Conquer Rome (I will need it later to restore the Empire) and give some other county to the pope (maybe Venice, I don't know yet);
- Set up an antipope and push his claim.

Hopefully I can do this during the next five years before the pope can call the next Crusade.
 

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One trick I was using for awhile is that when your vassals/council are discontent upon succession, you can always concede one right to them then revert the change later after the cooldown is up.
No you can't, because council power factions have no cooldown - they will literally keep spamming you every few months since the faction does not even break up if you concede.
 

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No you can't, because council factions have no cooldown - they will literally keep spamming you every few months since the faction does not even break up if you concede.

That must have changed in Reaper's Due then, because I know on 2.5.2 that was definitely the case. For the three games I've had with RD the Council was a non issue, so I assumed that was still true.
 

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There should be a 10 year cool down for Increase Council Power factions - for participating members. That's not to say other vassals can't press it independently later to my knowledge.
 

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7. Vassal pope - CHECK
8. Restore the Empire - CHECK

I will attempt the SPQR achievement. It might be tricky though with the defensive pacts...

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There is nothing tricky about it, you can form NAP's within same religion so you can fight them one-on-one, the muslim lands you need you can just Crusade for 0 infamy so you are pretty much set. As orthodox it would be a bit harder but not too much. Mainly this is why Def Pacts don't make any sense, by the time they kick in you can do whatever you want with them anyway so it doesn't really matter, just adds a little bit more slug in it. The only ones which are hit hard by Def pacts are the isolated one-realm religions with no crusade mechanic and no coastal holdings.
 
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So I've been continuing my game towards the SPQR achievement. It's going better than I expected, considering all the world wars that have happened because of the defensive pacts. My next focus will be on England.
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I got the SPQR achievement. This game is pretty much over but I will finish the campaign anyway to get the Seven Centuries achievement.

I tried to keep pretty borders but the viceroys keep expanding them :confused:

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Final comments:
1. Defensive pacts feel out of place and break immersion. I don't like them.
2. In the beginning, I was not used to the new council mechanic. But now I think it's not that bad. The only powers I always keep for myself are titles granting and revoking. Even council war declaration is not that bad.
3. I love the new education system. It feels more realistic than just raising your heir with the same education over and over again. Now you really have to take into account the child's traits and choose the education accordingly.
4. Epidemics are not that bad when you have a fully built hospital. However, at the beginning of the game, you really want to seclude yourself in your castle during them. In this game, I did not have the black death yet. I expect it to be deadlier than the other epidemics, therefore I might seclude myself even with my fully built hospital.
 
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Wait, Arabian SAMI?! Please don't tell me it is just a dynasty, I want to believe the Sami exacted tribute from them.
 

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Do defensive pacts really feel out of place? I can imagine being an independent ruler close to the roman empire being scared of nothing more than being gobbled up by this almighty force and banding together with other independents just to stand a chance.

Anyways if you had historical aztec invasion on this would've been a great opportunity for the mediëval schlieffen achievvement as well.