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Dowing uncivilized costs you no BB but annexing them costs you alot - I got 18 for the whole of the Sokoto Caliphate.
 

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I'm wondering that as well, at first I thought there simply was no BB, like in HoI, but it appears i was wrong...

BTW, how many provinces was the caliphate when you annexed them? And did you get any BB for taking all but one of their provs or something like that?
 

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Well it might be bugged - but the world had moved on since the Inquisition;)

Especially in the larger countries (India, China) the Great Powers tended to nibble bits off the indigenous states. Even in North Africa the annexations tended to be a bit messy and often consisted of a "satellite" phase prior to annexation. Presumably this was because outright annexation of say Egypt would have created too much ill feeling
 

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Originally posted by hellfish6
What is BB? And no, I don't have the game yet. :confused:
"BadBoy" value. If you are a naughty boy, the other nations might start declaring wars on you on principle, without necessarily having a "proper" reason.

:) Rafiki
 

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Originally posted by anti_strunt
I'm wondering that as well, at first I thought there simply was no BB, like in HoI, but it appears i was wrong...

BTW, how many provinces was the caliphate when you annexed them? And did you get any BB for taking all but one of their provs or something like that?

The Caliphate is 18 provinces, so 1 BB/prov for annex

I decided to make them a satellite instead, so I didn't take any of their provinces individually
 

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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Well it might be bugged - but the world had moved on since the Inquisition;)

Especially in the larger countries (India, China) the Great Powers tended to nibble bits off the indigenous states. Even in North Africa the annexations tended to be a bit messy and often consisted of a "satellite" phase prior to annexation. Presumably this was because outright annexation of say Egypt would have created too much ill feeling

Too bad you can't diploannex satellites in this game.
 

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Originally posted by vodkafire
Bah, annexing uncivilized should give you no BB. I thought they fixed this in EU1 (annexing pagan give no BB)

The French thought that too when they tried to annex Morrocco in 1911. Their misunderstanding almost started WWI three years early :)
 

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Originally posted by Flame of Udûn
bleh, you should be able to... You can in EU2 :(

Yes, but only since EU2 1.06 or 1.07. Let's wait six months or so for Victoria 1.07 and you'll have your BB value at the exact same place :D
 

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Originally posted by boultan
Yes, but only since EU2 1.06 or 1.07. Let's wait six months or so for Victoria 1.07 and you'll have your BB value at the exact same place :D

Even in EU2 1.0 you had a place were it said "You have a tarnished rep" or "We are hated by the entire world" etc. Viccy lacks even this (unless I'm going blind and/or insane...?)
 

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Originally posted by vodkafire
Too bad you can't diploannex satellites in this game.

Yes - this is something I'd like to see too. Bosnia by Austria, Tunisia by France to name but two.
 

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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Yes - this is something I'd like to see too. Bosnia by Austria, Tunisia by France to name but two.

I really miss this feature... :(
 

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Originally posted by anti_strunt
Even in EU2 1.0 you had a place were it said "You have a tarnished rep" or "We are hated by the entire world" etc. Viccy lacks even this (unless I'm going blind and/or insane...?)

Never had it in EU 1.10 though.
 

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Originally posted by anti_strunt
Even in EU2 1.0 you had a place were it said "You have a tarnished rep" or "We are hated by the entire world" etc. Viccy lacks even this (unless I'm going blind and/or insane...?)
As to whether you are going blind or insane, I cannot say, lacking knowledge of your personal habits :)D), but Victoria definitely does not show BB values at the moment. In due time, I am sure it will.

Currently, the easiest way to find out your BB value in game is to spot one of two patterns, easily discernible by the avid player
  1. Your country is being attacked by most of its powerful neighbours, and you are hunkered down in your capital, crying for mercy (this indicates too high BB)
  2. It is nearly impossible to buy ANYTHING in open negotiations. Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants to sell you even the smallest tech or colonial claim, even if you offer a million pounds for it (this indicates that you have beyond 20-40 BB
 

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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Yes - this is something I'd like to see too. Bosnia by Austria, Tunisia by France to name but two.
...Russia by Japan.


Overall, I am pretty happy that diploannexation is not in the game. It removes one possibility for extremely easy and silly expansion.