First Austrian WC/One Faith Attempt, plz help!

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If you mean a 1500s/16th century revoke then yea I agree it can be done, I thought you meant a revoke in the year 1500.
You read correctly, I did mean that. And you're correct in doubting me. A lot of luck is needed and luck is not a strategy.

But iirc I got it in 1530 in one of my first games, surely that can be improved on and pushed close to 1500.
Though patch changes might have made it a bit more difficult than it was back then.
 

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I don't know what's changed between now and then for HRE but without adding provinces twice I don't think it's possible to revoke even in 1530 on this patch as Ottomans. There's just not enough land to take that quickly and passive tick is too slow. BI is only a few provinces. If you can a way to leave the HRE and get elected again it might be possible. Would need more details about what you did.
 

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There's just not enough land to take that quickly and passive tick is too slow. BI is only a few provinces. If you can a way to leave the HRE and get elected again it might be possible. Would need more details about what you did.

BI isn't needed for its provinces but the access to Scandinavia and England.

Just imagine a BBB run where you can expand in three of the four directions without having to nocb Circassia.

I don't know what's changed between now and then for HRE but without adding provinces twice I don't think it's possible to revoke even in 1530 on this patch as Ottomans.
Not that I did it, but as a sidenote: You can add provinces at least twice.

You really thought they fixed that exploit? Laughable. Took me five minutes.
 

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If you're confident you can finish the WC early enough for One Faith, Orthoman would make for an easier game than Coptoman. In either case stay Sunni until you can get out of HRE Persia.
No matter going Orthodox or Coptic, what should I do to those filthy heretic colonizers? Should I kill them all first?

Btw this is my first game that stayed Catholic till 1821, and it sucks. Being the biggest Catholic Empire on Earth and constantly converting heathen land (as opposed to my lazy vassals), I could invest in tons of influence but I was the controller only half of the time! This is totally luck based, and I will never play as Catholic again...
 

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No matter going Orthodox or Coptic, what should I do to those filthy heretic colonizers? Should I kill them all first?

Btw this is my first game that stayed Catholic till 1821, and it sucks. Being the biggest Catholic Empire on Earth and constantly converting heathen land (as opposed to my lazy vassals), I could invest in tons of influence but I was the controller only half of the time! This is totally luck based, and I will never play as Catholic again...

Don't go for Europe too early but remember that you can't enforce religion on inherited CNs. Catholic would get rid of that problem, but if you're going Cathoman then mind as well go for HRE emperor.
 

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BI isn't needed for its provinces but the access to Scandinavia and England.

Just imagine a BBB run where you can expand in three of the four directions without having to nocb Circassia.


Not that I did it, but as a sidenote: You can add provinces at least twice.

You really thought they fixed that exploit? Laughable. Took me five minutes.

If we're thinking of the same thing I hinted it to Trin already, not sure if it's getting patched. I don't think it can be used to revoke in 1500 though, pre 1520 maybe. There are too many unknown variables to a fast revoke no matter how lucky you get.
 

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If we're thinking of the same thing I hinted it to Trin already, not sure if it's getting patched. I don't think it can be used to revoke in 1500 though, pre 1520 maybe. There are too many unknown variables to a fast revoke no matter how lucky you get.
With every province getting added twice or more you can Enact Gemeiner Pfennig as soon as you become Emperor. Earliest I got elected was 1461, giving you 39 years to grab a maximum of 75 provinces, assuming you only manage to add them twice every time.
Not even counting in passive gains or reelections.

That's manageable.
 

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With every province getting added twice or more you can Enact Gemeiner Pfennig as soon as you become Emperor. Earliest I got elected was 1461, giving you 39 years to grab a maximum of 75 provinces, assuming you only manage to add them twice every time.
Not even counting in passive gains or reelections.

That's manageable.

It's theoretically possible but practically impossible. The Serbian/Bosnian truce ends in 1450 I think so you'd have to convert in less than 10 years, which is 99.9999% unlikely. Afterwards the emperor has to die the moment you convert along with already having the necessary votes. I remembering adding something like a small chunk of England, chunk of Hungary, chunk of Muscovy and Lithuania and only barely getting up to Reform the Hofgericht. Only after take nearly all of Eastern Europe and passing Enact Gemeiner Pfennig with natural IA tick did I have enough land to revoke. Remember Anatolia is all Sunni and conversion rate is weak early even with Religious.

The tag switch also requires another conversion which can only be done after Proclaim Erbkaisertum. For this reason it's essentially useless as you mind as well just abdicate and make the new emperor/Austria into a vassal.

I looked a really really long time for the fastest way to revoke on this patch, and from what I could gather Kazan and Uzbek are the only options that also rely on the least RNG. Ruler death chance is near impossible to scum for due to how low it is. Counting on Friedrich dying at age 61 is the safest bet to get elected the first time without forcing re-election through war.
 

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It's theoretically possible but practically impossible. The Serbian/Bosnian truce ends in 1450 I think so you'd have to convert in less than 10 years, which is 99.9999% unlikely. Afterwards the emperor has to die the moment you convert along with already having the necessary votes. I remembering adding something like a small chunk of England, chunk of Hungary, chunk of Muscovy and Lithuania and only barely getting up to Reform the Hofgericht. Only after take nearly all of Eastern Europe and passing Enact Gemeiner Pfennig with natural IA tick did I have enough land to revoke. Remember Anatolia is all Sunni and conversion rate is weak early even with Religious.

The tag switch also requires another conversion which can only be done after Proclaim Erbkaisertum. For this reason it's essentially useless as you mind as well just abdicate and make the new emperor/Austria into a vassal.

I looked a really really long time for the fastest way to revoke on this patch, and from what I could gather Kazan and Uzbek are the only options that also rely on the least RNG. Ruler death chance is near impossible to scum for due to how low it is. Counting on Friedrich dying at age 61 is the safest bet to get elected the first time without forcing re-election through war.
Don't have to convert land when you have none

I know, I know, I'm losing stylepoints here. It was really one of my very first runs and I thought I was being smart by releasing a vassal so I could flip to christian faster.
Didn't even use Dhimmis.

Second attempt I got it in 1462 without releasing a vassal and was fully converted.
Used Georgia as my war to delay breaking to rebels (Christian, Europe).

40+ IA after being elected, sometimes the first reform already got passed and ~60 provinces ready to add. That's without getting BI.
Second reform in 1462 with a bit in the bank for number 3.
With the exploit it's all four in 1462 if you get more than just double and "only" three reforms if you get the minimum.
The rest is trivial. 2 or 3 reforms in 40 years with that amount of cheap dirt in your north and everything already being Christian isn't difficult to pull off.

But I get your point.

A "fastest way" that's based on RNG isn't the fastest way. No strategy guide will ever recommend "Start the game and hope for PUs in the first year if you want to get kinslayer" or similar.
Revoking in 1500 using the current exploit only requires basics if you're lucky enough with timely deaths.
Kazan remains the better choice though.


Because luck is not a strategy.
 

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Balkans is about 40 including all of Serbia/Bosnia. The Circassian provinces don't border HRE. How did you get enough to pass 2 reforms in 1462? Releasing a conversion vassal isn't a bad idea if you can annex it early enough. On 1.24 you can even help them. The Ottoman start in general has gotten tougher due to lack of cores resulting in early AE spike. But even on 1.22 I don't see a way to have enough provinces for 4 reforms in 1462. We might not be talking about the same exploit for double IA since the one I'm thinking of is impossible to pull off in 1460s. Giving Anatolia cores away also weakens your expansion rate post emperor.