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Portraits are very needed for them. Current one's don't just cut it for them.

What should they be like:

Blonde, definately blonde. Now, here is a fairly high chance that you make a mistake here. No, blonde is not just the piss-yellow and silver-white. Blonde hair color is a separate hair color all together. Just like red hair. The gradient of blonde is something like this: almost-white, light beige, beige, dark beige, light ash brown, ash brown, dark ash brown, almost black. A key to tell the difference between actual brown gradient blonde and the north-east european blonde is the vividness of the color. North-east european blonde hair are not very vivid. Each shade is plain and doesn't stick into the eye. The hair colors, that the current Norse portrait pack has, is vivid and strikes out.

Facial features. Well, none. In the sense that no pronounced features at all. Finnic faces are smooth.

Here's a comparison of norse and finnic female faces:

vS71TxE.jpg
 
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To be honest, there is not that many differences between them. I can agree that unique hairstyles, clothing and headgear could be given to them.

What? I live in a student city and I can tell with a 99% accuracy who's an exchange student from France even before they open their mouths. Same with spanish people. With germans it's a bit harder but still quite easy. But yeah I'd happy with the things you mentioned.
 

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But you said this:

Yes, which isn't what you said.

Acknowledging certain differences doesn't mean acknowledging different races. And those differences aren't as clear as the OP would let us to believe.
 

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Oh, we are having a face contest :p ?

VV3sNFp.jpg


Ok here's the ugly arse bastard - 600+ years of Estonian-Norse hybridation, known as Oeslians.
Notes:
Hair goes lighter in winter and darker in the Autumn.
Minuscule cheeckbones.
Easy muscle creation, thanks mom's genes...
Shite metabolism, "thanks" dad's genes.....
Large and sharp teeth that even makes iron his bitch.
Bolt speed hair growth.
Blue coloured eyes - Peaced out/Happy ; Grey - Meh. ; Green - Angry
Skin goes pale fast.
Extreme cold and heat resistance.
 

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Oh, we are having a face contest :p ?

VV3sNFp.jpg


Ok here's the ugly arse bastard - 600+ years of Estonian-Norse hybridation, known as Oeslians.
Notes:
Hair goes lighter in winter and darker in the Autumn.
Minuscule cheeckbones.
Easy muscle creation, thanks mom's genes...
Shite metabolism, "thanks" dad's genes.....
Large and sharp teeth that even makes iron his bitch.
Bolt speed hair growth.
Blue coloured eyes - Peaced out/Happy ; Grey - Meh. ; Green - Angry
Skin goes pale fast.
Extreme cold and heat resistance.

Is that you?

It really cannot. And even if it could your description and pictures of it are pretty much the opposite of what racialist "scientist" said that they were in the 19th and early 20th century.

This is a pretty good text about why ascribing certain phenotypes to larger groups, barring the most obvious differences, is pretty much nonsensical http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/gregor.html
Theories of race are arbitrary, fantastic and inconclusive.

When do you realize that I am not making it about race, you and the other witchhunters are. Tell me where exactly did I talk about 100% pure human breeds. Ahh, let me save you the trouble - nowhere. You are just assuming that I am assuming that humans can be divided into well definable groups. When in reality I assume that humans can be divided into loose groups, based on local variances of phenotypic features and their combinations. Virtually the same kind of grouping method one would use when grouping language dialects.
 
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To be honest, there is not that many differences between them. I can agree that unique hairstyles, clothing and headgear could be given to them.

And a Breton man looks more different from a French man than a Finnish man does? Yet the Celts have their own facepack; I see no reason not to give the Finnic people the same treatment. Though I can see paradox probably just giving the same portrait back to every culture who's Finno-Urgric or Baltic, like they did with the unit pack.
 

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And a Breton man looks more different from a French man than a Finnish man does? Yet the Celts have their own facepack; I see no reason not to give the Finnic people the same treatment. Though I can see paradox probably just giving the same portrait back to every culture who's Finno-Urgric or Baltic, like they did with the unit pack.

I looked though the gamefiles - yes, all finnics and baltics have the same graphical culture "ugricgfx", so yea, finnic face pack would also affect baltics.
 

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Yes, which isn't what you said.

Acknowledging certain differences doesn't mean acknowledging different races. And those differences aren't as clear as the OP would let us to believe.

You don't have to acknowledge it but Richard Dawkins does and he seems to know a thing or two about this whole gene thing.

Acknowledging certain biological and genealogical variations doesn't mean you have to be racist about it.
 

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Well, if Finns get their portraits, West&South Slavs should also get one. :p
 

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I don't really care about facial features, what I want for portraits is clothes. And as for clothes I want to see Polish, Hungarian and Lithuanian packs and Russian pack to be redone by Crackd, since I have no idea what current ones suppose to represent.
 

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I don't really care about facial features, what I want for portraits is clothes. And as for clothes I want to see Polish, Hungarian and Lithuanian packs and Russian pack to be redone by Crackd, since I have no idea what current ones suppose to represent.

I'm always looking to make more stuff for mods. So, if you have resources on what any of those cultures should look like, in particular academic resources like extant textiles or archaeological finds, that would help. I have no idea what PDS is doing next, but I imagine revisiting the Slavs is not one of them. However, I'm always modding. I probably put 2,000+ hours a year into modding, and I am fascinated in particular by Polish history (which is the reason why I'm painting a picture of the Battle of Legnica!). So if you know where to look, that always helps push in the right direction.
 

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cultural background =/= phenotypic background

Do not make the assumption that these two classifiactions are the same during an era when a person who looks like a somali can also be a swede.

She is obviously posesses germanic phenotype, while being Ukrainian.

You're trying to save face here, it's not working. She is a Canadian (nationality), who's ancestry is Ukrainian (phenotypical background...I guess?), and you've used her as an example of what someone living in Scandinavia 1,100 years ago looked like, I'm saying that's a flaw in your post, it might have been better to have someone actually from Scandinavia as an example of what the Norse might have looked like.
 
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Baltic facepack and unitpack plox.
 

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I'm always looking to make more stuff for mods. So, if you have resources on what any of those cultures should look like, in particular academic resources like extant textiles or archaeological finds, that would help. I have no idea what PDS is doing next, but I imagine revisiting the Slavs is not one of them. However, I'm always modding. I probably put 2,000+ hours a year into modding, and I am fascinated in particular by Polish history (which is the reason why I'm painting a picture of the Battle of Legnica!). So if you know where to look, that always helps push in the right direction.
I admire your attitude, modders sure are great folk. :wub:
The only problem I do have is that you do this for free; all this hard work ought to get paid sometimes! :p
 

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I admire your attitude, modders sure are great folk. :wub:
The only problem I do have is that you do this for free; all this hard work ought to get paid sometimes! :p

Considering I made the last five portrait packs: It does. But, I'm still probably going to make or mod the ones PDS doesn't do. Considering it's about to be tax season, though, I don't believe I'll find a lot of time to work on anything other than my Cumans/Kipchaks.
 

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When you have people in the Baltics and Finland looking exactly like people in France and Germany, I'd have to disagree with you.
I think what we needed from the get go most of all were clothes, not faces, and we could have averted the Mediterranean disaster. Now that they give some arbitrary groups completely different sets of faces, of course everyone is going to complain until every ethnicity is filled.