Finland Joined Allies against SU

[bdodig]

AI could use improvement, in the sense of - if the Allies are losing and are weaker, they might not want to start a war against the Soviet Union or some other powerful faction also.

Also, if you are under attack it is normal that you would try to join a faction, but again, the AI should look at what faction can best defend them. In the case above Allies are in no real position to defend Finland if Axis are steamrolling them.

On the other hand Axis AI might not want a two front war so might not want to accept. I don't know, pretty hard problem to solve, innit

 

[algame]

Oh please, like HoI3 wasn't sandbox with world conquests with powers like Tibet or conquering Italy before 1940 as Ethiopia.

The point is that in HOI3 the AI would generally follow a rough historical flow if you just run the game and observe, you woudnt get this stupidity of Soviet vs Allies in 1940. It was up to the player if they want to do crazy sandbox Luxemberg world domination. Which is great then it allows for both types of people to have fun.

Now we just have the AI doing "lol sandbox", and the whole game is degenerating into some wierd fantasy version of WWII. But Im sure mods will fix it, so at least I can play the game and you people can keep enjoying your fantasy land.

 

[RudeArmyFaction]

the Finns going allied during the winter war wasn't just possible it was likely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War

the reasons why it could have happened:
a) the Soviet Union had invaded Poland, the country the UK and France had gone to war to defend, now the game simulates this in such a way that the UK dosn't automatically end up in a war with the USSR but Stalin wasn't on the allies Christmas card list that winter. they may not be at war but from their vantage point the soviets look like allies of the nazis.
b) Churchill had come back as the first lord of the admiralty, and he was a bugfuck crazy adventurer who had to be talked out of stupider plans than this all the bloody time.
c) the way the Finns were handing it to the post purge Red Army in the early war, meant that it didn't look like such a big risk.
d) may 1940 hadn't happened yet so they still had what they thought was the most powerful army on the world on their side, and they were actively looking for secondary theaters because why attack on the French/German boarder when they were so beautifully dug in.

they had an army ready to go, but they couldn't convince Norway and Sweden to give them transit rights, and because they weren't being subtle about this plan Hitler got wind of it and starts thinking the real objective is to cut off his access to Swedish steel, so he makes it clear that, while yes Stalin's army had finally started making progress, it was time for the sovs to offer the finns a lenient peace and wrap the whole thing up. Hitler then Invades Norway and Denmark to prevent the allies from intervening, the allies use the army they were planing to use to help the Finns in Norway, they loose badly and the rest is history.

 

[Beagá]

Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Greece IRL. China (not a democracy) even joined the Allies after several years of war with Japan. Brazil and others joined the Allies late in the war, and Brazil sent forces to fight in Europe.

We sent one division only, and that´s because we were "influenced" in the game terms to align with the allies. Then once U-boat raids started we joined for real.

Even then the cost was prohibitive, so instead of 4 US standard divisions with 25k men we went only one - and basically equipped with US material only. Because war material needs war industry and real research into those, not the thing the game has now.

The game is FAR too generous with minors, and that includes Hungary, Norway and others

 

[Meglok]

There are coding issues in the faction and diplomacy routines. AI Finland should not join the allies IF it is already at war, at least playing historically. It should go to the White Peace event if the AI Soviets have fired their Finland focus. Part of this is that Germany is not influencing Finland (or Romania etc) anymore as it did in HOI3 so nation influence drift is all over the map. And it may be that alliance calls are over-writing events and NAPs. PDS is aware of it.

 

[algame]

There are coding issues in the faction and diplomacy routines. AI Finland should not join the allies IF it is already at war, at least playing historically. It should go to the White Peace event if the AI Soviets have fired their Finland focus. Part of this is that Germany is not influencing Finland (or Romania etc) anymore as it did in HOI3 so nation influence drift is all over the map. And it may be that alliance calls are over-writing events and NAPs. PDS is aware of it.

Finally a voice of sanity, its good to know Paradox is aware the diplomacy AI is "batpoop" crazy and its not actually working as intended.

 

[Blinckx]

That's another suicidal move from AI

Axis : Germany, Japan, Italy, Bulgaria, Vichy France
Com : SU and Rep. Spain
Allies : UK, France, Canada, USA, etc etc

In 1939 Japan is losing again China so why not declare on USA ? A month later, Japan join Axis
Same year German Reich declare on Poland and, as usual, take the whole Europe in few months but also join the Japan against the USA
In 1940 Italy capitulate due a massive USA invasion on Rome and, at the same time, I, as SU, declare was on German Reich and Japan
In 1941 the Axis lose Berlin, Tokyo and the former German Reich is Germany and Austria and nothing else. Rep.Spain has the whole France, USA has Italy, and i own Poland, Romania, Chez, the whole Japan.

At this point Hungary and Turkey, neutral until that, decide it was a great day to die.
Turkey JOIN Axis and capitulate in a week
Hungary join Axis and capitulate in four days

Pace conference is also hilarious.
China now has territories in the former Poland and Turkey
Yugoslava own the german Reich territory
USA took Greece and italy

Really, please Dev, take a look at this madness

 

[mora.92]

I don't like this system cuz countries that had one type of govmt historycally are totally different in the game and makes countries used by the AI to immediatly join certain factions or dont join them despite what they actually did...(Spain,Mexico,Brazil,Romania,Finland,Sweden,Switzerland,etc) I belive parties should be separete from ideology having both party influence from own govmt and foreign countries and also ideology influence trying to align to each faction also internally and foreing or NON ALIGN which i dont get why they relate it to de parties. They could just add another pie chart on the govmt tab and that way dal each of them separtely.And historycal focus should be less sandbox idk about u but I have never seen Japan invade the Phillipines or any other island in the Pacific for that matter, and they DOW Netherland as soon as 39' and if Germany DOW on SU Japan is called and get rolled over... just examples tons of non sense happening.