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Having just watched yesterday's stream, it occurred to me that the OP may not have a great grasp of English and that what they are actually saying is that more portraits and 2D art should be included as part of the paid DLC. In the stream, Portugal has no portraits for generals and has the blank 2D sprites for planes, and presumably, for tanks as well. As far as we know there are no new sprites for them either.

It is indeed disappointing if we actually aren't getting any of that stuff as part of the paid content in the DLC, but from a gameplay perspective Portugal's content is looking pretty darn solid, so there's that.
Well, considering there are no historical examples (i.e., ingeniously produced) to base 2D-art on for the Planes and Tanks (since as far as I can tell all of their military hardware was foreign-build or license produced), it is hardly surprising that they don't have any unique art for those items. I'm pretty sure they have some generals and other leaders, but given the size of their military, I doubt that there are many.
 

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Well, considering there are no historical examples (i.e., ingeniously produced) to base 2D-art on for the Planes and Tanks (since as far as I can tell all of their military hardware was foreign-build or license produced), it is hardly surprising that they don't have any unique art for those items. I'm pretty sure they have some generals and other leaders, but given the size of their military, I doubt that there are many.
which is perfectly okay, no need for fantasy sprites (there is one the NZ super heavy tank) but at least an infantry sprite should be possible.
 

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Well, considering there are no historical examples (i.e., ingeniously produced) to base 2D-art on for the Planes and Tanks (since as far as I can tell all of their military hardware was foreign-build or license produced), it is hardly surprising that they don't have any unique art for those items. I'm pretty sure they have some generals and other leaders, but given the size of their military, I doubt that there are many.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they done some of their own 2D art for the Romanian tank tree? Going by that, I would think it'd be appropriate to create unique tank art for the Iberian nations.
 

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no need for fantasy sprites (there is one the NZ super heavy tank)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they done some of their own 2D art for the Romanian tank tree? Going by that, I would think it'd be appropriate to create unique tank art for the Iberian nations.

Perhaps the tank depicted below could serve as a model for the Portuguese heavy tank line?

upload_2020-2-6_14-58-23.jpeg

Credit to LCR* at https://lcraymentblog.wordpress.com/2017/09/29/fantasy-tank-designs-1/
*a.k.a. "Choccobourbons" and "Plumpychickens"

(Feel free to post images of what you think Iberian panzers should look like)
;)
 
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Tbf they had to create a lot more 2d art and sprites this time. Think they got their priorities wrong though, I highly doubt I'll ever see armoured cars on the map.
 
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And here is a photograph of The Raj's armored car:

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Lhada, Waziristan. July 1937
Lhada. July 1937. Operations North West Frontier India. 48th Regiment.

Photographer: Capt Spencer
Format : monochrome photograph
Rights info: no known restrictions on publication.
Location of collection: Northampton Museum & Art Gallery www.northampton.gov.uk/museums



Ok, Ok.

Back to Portugal!
 

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Tbf they had to create a lot more 2d art and sprites this time. Think they got their priorities wrong though, I highly doubt I'll ever see armoured cars on the map.
What I'm trying to get at with this is that Portuguese sprites should have been prioritized over armored car or recon plane sprites. I cant see the AI building armored car divisions.
 
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Indeed. When the heck will we see American armored car sprites in practice? Yet Portugal won’t get an infantry sprite?
 

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Because they are making use pay full price for an unfinished product, they had a whole year to work on art for TWO countrys

They're adding a lot more than just country content for Portugal. And a lot of the content in the update will be free, even though it's certainly not been free to develop it.

Anyway in my opinion they should be focusing more on countries that actually fought in the war...
 

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Having just watched yesterday's stream, it occurred to me that the OP may not have a great grasp of English and that what they are actually saying is that more portraits and 2D art should be included as part of the paid DLC. In the stream, Portugal has no portraits for generals and has the blank 2D sprites for planes, and presumably, for tanks as well. As far as we know there are no new sprites for them either.

It is indeed disappointing if we actually aren't getting any of that stuff as part of the paid content in the DLC, but from a gameplay perspective Portugal's content is looking pretty darn solid, so there's that.
Yes that is exactly what Im saying, English is my first language I just worded it poorly because I was frustrated because I had written a really long well worded argument/ complaint but accidentally deleted it
 

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Yes that is exactly what Im saying, English is my first language I just worded it poorly because I was frustrated because I had written a really long well worded argument/ complaint but accidentally deleted it

In that case I agree with you completely. It'll be pretty darn disappointing if Portugal has no unique general portraits or 2D art when even Mexico got plenty of both. It could be that they're still WIP and will be added in at the last minute. Let's hope that's the case. Even fantasy 2D sprites are preferable to the blank, black silhouettes that generic countries get.

and how often will you see AI or player made divisions using that sprite?
95% of the time they will be used for recon and anti-partisan operations, if they had limited it to one each and made a 2 Portugal sprites (cav.+inf). one armored car for Spain and one more tank that would have felt like a better use of resources.

Indeed, one has to wonder if there's really any place for armored cars in combat divisions. It seems the third armored car tech has an anti-tank variant, perhaps that could have a niche use as a poor man's AT solution in motorized divisions, but beyond that it's a bit of a head scratcher to me.

It seems their main use will be in recon companies and for suppression divisions.

There is an option to set which 3D sprite your division will be represented as, and you can choose pretty much anything that at least one of your battalions is. One battalion of armored car will probably let you use it as the division sprite. But yeah... definitely would have preferred more Spanish Civil War sprites and Portuguese sprites to armored car sprites that will rarely, if ever, actually be seen.
 

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they unfortunately had to spend a great deal of time making completely new spy portraits and so the artists were, well, behind. it feels like all nations got less sprites than previous DLC and i'm pretty sure this is why,
 

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and how often will you see AI or player made divisions using that sprite?

Ah, I see your point. There won't be pure or majority Armored Car divisions...therefore the sprite will not used to depict that division.

I'm assuming that those images of armored cars took X (time + effort) to develop.

Therefore, the Total Effort of improving HoI4 was equal to Total - X.

X could have been used on a more ... fruitful ... endeavor?
 

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Ah, I see your point. There won't be pure or majority Armored Car divisions...therefore the sprite will not used to depict that division.

I'm assuming that those images of armored cars took X (time + effort) to develop.

Therefore, the Total Effort of improving HoI4 was equal to Total - X.

X could have been used on a more ... fruitful ... endeavor?
yes that is my argument. I think its even more likely Spain would use majority armored car division than Germany would.
 

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they unfortunately had to spend a great deal of time making completely new spy portraits and so the artists were, well, behind. it feels like all nations got less sprites than previous DLC and i'm pretty sure this is why,
But then they should bring the stuff out later in a paid DLC if need be.
 

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We've come a long ways from, "unit sprites are the worst thing to happen to hoi, and having them in hoi4 will ruin the game forever" to get all the way to, "not having unit sprites is a national disgrace and pdxdevs should be ashamed of themselves".

"Unit sprites are the worst thing to happen to HOI, and the new ones in the next DLC will ruin the game forever."

Does that give you the nostalgia you were looking for? :)

Actually, that wasn't a good enough troll attempt, though. I can do better.

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:)