Finally got nearly 60 Pops and my 5th Levy Unit. Shouldn't it be Heavy Infantries?

[Iosue Yu]

Culture Caledonia has this config:

1. 20% Heavy Infantries (Advanced)
2. 25% Chariots (Advanced)
3. 55% Light Infantries (Basic)

First... as a country with only 1 City (25 Cap), it's a struggle to get enough non-Slave Pops. I keep getting 15+ Slaves flipping up and down. The requirement of 40+ non-Slave Pops is already a tall order for Tribes. I even integrated 2 Cultures (everything, around 20 Pops) just to maximise my possible Levy Size. And I've got the lovely Barbarian Raiding (which is actually beneficial because they give you free Pops).

I was looking forward to having my 5th Unit being Heavy Infantries.

But you are giving me a 2nd Unit of Chariots. So the 20% is a lie.

 

[olivenkranz]

the Ratio is 4:5:11 (cant break it down further with entire numbers)
or 1:1,25:2,75. If you round up, it gives 1HI to 2 Chariots and 3 LI. So the 6th should be HI; since 1,25>1 the fifth is a Chariot.

 

[Tomice]

Is Caledonia still your most numerous culture?
It is a known bug that the most numerous culture regardless of integration status decides your levy composition.

It will be changed in the next version according to Arheo's Twitter, when all templates of all integrated cultures will be averaged/weighted per region

 

[Iosue Yu]

Is Caledonia still your most numerous culture?
It is a known bug that the most numerous culture regardless of integration status decides your levy composition.

It will be changed in the next version according to Arheo's Twitter, when all templates of all integrated cultures will be averaged/weighted per region

Shouldn't even matter. All Brittanic Cultures have exactly the same composition. I've checked the levy compo txt file.

 

[Iosue Yu]

the Ratio is 4:5:11 (cant break it down further with entire numbers)
or 1:1,25:2,75. If you round up, it gives 1HI to 2 Chariots and 3 LI. So the 6th should be HI; since 1,25>1 the fifth is a Chariot.

Maths is fun.

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

the Ratio is 4:5:11 (cant break it down further with entire numbers)
or 1:1,25:2,75. If you round up, it gives 1HI to 2 Chariots and 3 LI. So the 6th should be HI; since 1,25>1 the fifth is a Chariot.

Paradox maths /facepalm.

 

[Iosue Yu]

I have even got to the 6th Units in a short time due to Barbarian invasions. Still no Heavy Infantries.

Only founding my 2nd City.

Listing out my Pops just in case:

1. 4 Citizens
2. 6 Freemen
3. 2 Nobles
4. 12 Slaves
5. 37 Tribesmen

Why? Where are my Heavy Infantries?

 

[Iosue Yu]

And why Founding a City destroys the Port?

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

And why Founding a City destroys the Port?

It shouldn't. I've founded cities on lots of port provinces and the port has never been destroyed.

 

[Iosue Yu]

It shouldn't. I've founded cities on lots of port provinces and the port has never been destroyed.

I don't know if it's a new change or not. The territory of Taexali had a Fort and a Port. Founding a City on it destroys the Port.

 

[Iosue Yu]

Paradox maths /facepalm.

1. Calculation by multiplication:
   1. 6 Units
      1. Number of Heavy Infantries = 6 x 0.2 = 1.2
      2. Number of Chariots = 6 x 0.25 = 1.5
      3. Number of Light Infantries = 6 x 0.55 = 3.3
      4. Rounding:
         1. Number of Heavy Infantries = 1.2 -> 1
         2. Number of Chariots = 1.5 -> 2
         3. Number of Light Infantries = 3.3 -> 3
2. Calculation by Iteration:
   1. Requirement: 20:25:55
      1. 1st Unit: Light Infantries. New Wanted Ratio: 20, 25, -45
      2. 2nd Unit: Chariots. New Wanted Ratio: 20, -25, 5
      3. 3rd Unit: Heavy Infantries. New Wanted Ratio: -13, -7, 22
      4. 4th Unit: Light Infantries. New Wanted Ratio: -5, 0, 5
      5. 5th Unit: Light Infantries. New Wanted Ratio: 0, 5, -5
      6. 6th Unit: Chariots. New Wanted Ratio: 3, -8, 5

I just can't figure out. I don't think the one proposed by @olivenkranz would actually work...

 

[Manst]

I don't know if it's a new change or not. The territory of Taexali had a Fort and a Port. Founding a City on it destroys the Port.

How did it have both as a territory? Did you already get the invention? If yes, then yeah it's strange, if not, perhaps it was bugged before and fixed itself upon becoming a city?

 

[Iosue Yu]

How did it have both as a territory? Did you already get the invention? If yes, then yeah it's strange, if not, perhaps it was bugged before and fixed itself upon becoming a city?

I don't actually know. It was the capital of another Tribe at game start. Both the Fort and the Port should be there by Default. I should start a new game to check again...

I see. I am remembering an old version.

Looks like they just have removed the Port to make way for the 1 Building Limit. Yet another nerf to a poor unlucky tribe.

 

[LuciusCincinnatus]

It's not clearly stated anywhere, but the units also depend on poptypes, not just the number. I just checked, and for Caledonian, freemen and tribesmen can only be raised as light infantry, while citizens and nobles are raised as chariots and heavy infantry. I'm not sure, but a guess would be that you do not have enough citizens/nobles to raise another chariot/HI, and so you get a 4th LI instead.

 

[Iosue Yu]

It's not clearly stated anywhere, but the units also depend on poptypes, not just the number. I just checked, and for Caledonian, freemen and tribesmen can only be raised as light infantry, while citizens and nobles are raised as chariots and heavy infantry. I'm not sure, but a guess would be that you do not have enough citizens/nobles to raise another chariot/HI, and so you get a 4th LI instead.

I get 2 Chariots instead of 1 Chariots and 1 Heavy Infantries.

Also I think Chariots should get a buff if they are really Advanced Units. It was costing the same amount to Light Infantries but actually occupying an Advanced quotum.

 

[Iosue Yu]

Should I continue with this campaign? Would I ever get a Unit of Heavy Infantries as my 7th Levy Unit? What's with the 20% then? Why are my Advanced Pops producing Chariots, a cheap unit, instead of Heavy Infantries?

 

[olivenkranz]

Should I continue with this campaign? Would I ever get a Unit of Heavy Infantries as my 7th Levy Unit? What's with the 20% then? Why are my Advanced Pops producing Chariots, a cheap unit, instead of Heavy Infantries?

If you have fun, even without the HI, then continue. If not, don't. That's how I decide if I should quit.