Fighting America as Italy

[viale]

Hi all

So I have been doing my own thing in my recent game of HoI2 as Italy, where I have been nationbuilding, I invaded Spain during the civil war and ended up releasing Euskadi as a puppet with me only keeping the mediterranean parts of Iberia(plus Madrid) I have subjugated Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria, only to release them as Slovakia, Serbia Greece and Bulgaria again as puppets.
Vichy France never joined the axis and I wanted to connect my Iberia with the homelands and conquored south of France and Syria, Lebanon, only to release the middle east as puppets.

Now I finally felt confident in joining germany in her war against the Brits and French, with Lebanon and Syria under my control I was able to drive the english out of both Iraq and Sinai quickly and got to close Suez fast, Gibraltar was also taken at once since I had a direct route in Spain. Fighting the english in Egypt took some time, since I had to fight of a huge army in alexandria, but when that crumbled I kept going south into Sudan and Ethiopea.

So finally the americans joins the war and my entire army is bogged down in eastern africa running on oil fumes and taking months to travels anywhere, but I figure it will take some time before they arrive(oh and by joining the Axis I had to give back my French territories to Vichy and later got all their North African holdings, despite them being neutral, which meant the americans got Cassablanca)

I am now fighing to regain North Africa since America took everything so fast but I feel this game is lost. I dont really want to go through the long campaign in Egypt/Sudan again and they seem to just keep pouring in. My tank divisions are strong and mighty, and the Med is still my pond, but I feel it is only a matter of time before the american industry overwhelms me.

So what are your strategies to fight back the american landings in North Africa?(me getting Algier/Tunis caught me completely off-guard, since I actually had counted on neutral Vichy to be my African border against any landings in Marocco) I think I might just reload from before I joined the Axis to be better prepared for the Vichy France events. But it does seem a bit gamey

Sorry if this got a bit long, but I wanted to give some background details

Oh and BTW I am playing without any expansions

 

[MarkusH]

Hav the germans defeated soviets yet or invaded britain? if not things can turn a bit nasty, but if germany for example have or soon will invade defeat soviet you can easily match the allies. and what about japan? :O the us. should have a hard time defeating to great powers on two fronts.

 

[viale]

Well I sort of dropped the game, I could not get my north african territories back and the americans had reached suez and was starting to pour into the my little pond.

Well Germany had already declared war on the Soviets when the americans entered the war and Japan had been turned into a US puppet before they entered the european theater aka north africa...so yeah:wacko: I would have died before long in that game

 

[viale]

So instead of starting a new thread I figured I might as well use this one for my second game. Being Italy again. I am at war together with Germany with the UK/France/USSR but not the USA, since they are bogged down in a war with Iraq

This time everything is going much smoother and I am learning more and more about this game. Releasing lots of puppets are bad if you are authoritarian and it will make your TC soar above the limit very fast.

My question this time is how do I take provinces from a nation when a third party is there as well?
In this scenario I am beating the UK out of Africa and it is all going very well. The problem is that they have one province left in East Africa and when I kick them out, the province goes to the US instead of me since they have troops there.
This is very frustrating since the UK keep retreating to this place and start invading more territory and whenever they take a territory the americans go along, then I kick the UK out and the territory goes to the americans.

I'm at a loss as to how to combat this, since I am not at war with america and cannot enter their territory the UK have a safe place to flee to every time I beat them.

 

[Oerdin]

Hi all

So I have been doing my own thing in my recent game of HoI2 as Italy, where I have been nationbuilding, I invaded Spain during the civil war and ended up releasing Euskadi as a puppet with me only keeping the mediterranean parts of Iberia(plus Madrid) I have subjugated Yugoslavia, Greece and Bulgaria, only to release them as Slovakia, Serbia Greece and Bulgaria again as puppets.
Vichy France never joined the axis and I wanted to connect my Iberia with the homelands and conquored south of France and Syria, Lebanon, only to release the middle east as puppets.

Now I finally felt confident in joining germany in her war against the Brits and French, with Lebanon and Syria under my control I was able to drive the english out of both Iraq and Sinai quickly and got to close Suez fast, Gibraltar was also taken at once since I had a direct route in Spain. Fighting the english in Egypt took some time, since I had to fight of a huge army in alexandria, but when that crumbled I kept going south into Sudan and Ethiopea.

So finally the americans joins the war and my entire army is bogged down in eastern africa running on oil fumes and taking months to travels anywhere, but I figure it will take some time before they arrive(oh and by joining the Axis I had to give back my French territories to Vichy and later got all their North African holdings, despite them being neutral, which meant the americans got Cassablanca)

I am now fighing to regain North Africa since America took everything so fast but I feel this game is lost. I dont really want to go through the long campaign in Egypt/Sudan again and they seem to just keep pouring in. My tank divisions are strong and mighty, and the Med is still my pond, but I feel it is only a matter of time before the american industry overwhelms me.

So what are your strategies to fight back the american landings in North Africa?(me getting Algier/Tunis caught me completely off-guard, since I actually had counted on neutral Vichy to be my African border against any landings in Marocco) I think I might just reload from before I joined the Axis to be better prepared for the Vichy France events. But it does seem a bit gamey

Sorry if this got a bit long, but I wanted to give some background details

Oh and BTW I am playing without any expansions

As long as you keep the med closed (by holding Gibraltar and Sinai) then you're in great shape because north Africa is worthless and the Americans are going to have massive supply problems which will make them combat ineffective. The key is to take Casablanca so they don't have a port to supply their forces out of or failing that use strategic bombers to keep the port bombed to level 0 so they can't get any supplies through the port (convoy raiding the sea right outside the port also works well). Use the air base at Gibraltar to do this; you can then mop up the unsupplied American forces in North Africa at you leisure. To get supplies to your forces in East Africa first don't waste time sending any tanks down there as they eat up too many supplies and instead only send foot infantry without any attachments since the infrastructure is so bad down there but if you really want then building ports in East Africa and improving the infrastructure can improve your supply situation dramatically (as can building factories there) but that will take years and it is pretty much a waste of time unless you have nothing better to do (which means anything else you can possibly do).

 

[unmerged(27886)]

I handle Italy with an eye towards its limited resources.

I take the Suez and garrison it, plus the beaches on the Sinai. Then I take Alexandria and Garrison it. The UK AI is usually helpful and build 5 landforts or so there for me . so I plop down like 6-9 INF, 9-15MIL and an HQ in Alexandria, along with 4-8 INT and leave the african wasteland alone. It takes too long to move around in it, ties up too much manpower, and the AI controlled UK/US fleets can perform amphibious invasions from an unlimited distance.

Why deal with it? You closed of the Med with Gibraltar and Suez, so stop there and concentrate on other stuff that will have a strategic impact.