Fieldmarshals and XP gain

[amalric de g.]

Fieldmarshals commanding a Army group only earn XP if you use battleplans. So PDX forces me to use battleplans and squander my army and equipment in suicide attacks.

Thats really not funny, the Battleplans are still next to useless. I have no interest to slaughter my armies, to gain XP for Fieldmarshals.

 

[fabius]

Hmm gonna have to check this.
Oh shoot, Generals too. The tool tip says experience gained while using battle plan.

Shit that probably means drawing a front line then manual = no experience. This seems to go against Podcat seeming to want us to be able to manual if we want

 

[Meglok]

Yep, this really needs to be clarified and explained to the community @Archangel85 .

If xp is only available if you are letting the ai run things then I would be against this change for obvious reasons.

 

[fabius]

Yep, this really needs to be clarified and explained to the community @Archangel85 .

If xp is only available if you are letting the ai run things then I would be against this change for obvious reasons.

Seems like it would be a mistake or oversight somewher, right? As in I really doubt they intentionally soap in the shower penal-ise manual players

 

[Zwirbaum]

No, they do not.
There is one trait you can learn only if you're fighting while assigned to battleplan* - it's called Organizer. Rest of the traits and general XP is earned by combat and it's not required by you to fight using battleplan)

* Assigned, doesn't mean you need to activate battleplan for it.

 

[fabius]

No, they do not.
There is one trait you can learn only if you're fighting while assigned to battleplan* - it's called Organizer. Rest of the traits and general XP is earned by combat and it's not required by you to fight using battleplan)

* Assigned, doesn't mean you need to activate battleplan for it.

By bad. Yeah the other tooltips confirm this

Thanks for pointing it out

 

[Kipsta]

I think it's impossible to level generals when you attack manually, because the leveling scales of mass of combats, not efficient battles. So just having all your divisions suicide attack every three hours gets you 1000x the xp of doing two fast winning attacks every eight hours.

 

[Less2]

I think it's impossible to level generals when you attack manually, because the leveling scales of mass of combats, not efficient battles. So just having all your divisions suicide attack every three hours gets you 1000x the xp of doing two fast winning attacks every eight hours.

Pretty much. It's not that player-controlled armies don't earn XP, the problem is that only AI control is bad enough to remain in combat (and take heavy losses) long enough to earn significant amounts.

"‘It takes 15,000 casualties to train a major general." - Ferdinand Foch, noted optimist.
"Roughly 2 Million for a decent Field Marshal" - HoI4

 

[fabius]

Pretty much. It's not that player-controlled armies don't earn XP, the problem is that only AI control is bad enough to remain in combat (and take heavy losses) long enough to earn significant amounts.

"‘It takes 15,000 casualties to train a major general." - Ferdinand Foch, noted optimist.
"Roughly 2 Million for a decent Field Marshal" - HoI4

Nice quote

 

[RikiBreeiki]

You gain xp while manually playing too, it is just for 1 or 2 traits

 

[Ministry]

Gain is way too slow

 

[DragonScythe]

Something is wrong with the XP system. I fought a 2 front war against France and Russia as imperial Germany from 1940-43 and I had 2 full panzer armies of 14 armored and 10 motorized divisions fighting for pretty much the whole war and neither of the Panzer Generals managed to level up. I killed something like 5 million russians and another 1.5 million french and Rommel who had been fighting with tanks since day 1 was only 30% towards getting panzer leader and he has a trait that gives +100% to armored experience...

 

[amalric de g.]

No, they do not.
There is one trait you can learn only if you're fighting while assigned to battleplan* - it's called Organizer. Rest of the traits and general XP is earned by combat and it's not required by you to fight using battleplan)

* Assigned, doesn't mean you need to activate battleplan for it.

Thats wrong Logistics Wizard, Fast Planer and Thorough Planer depend on learning Organizer.

 

[Zwirbaum]

Thats wrong Logistics Wizard, Fast Planer and Thorough Planer depend on learning Organizer.

Yes, but they do not directly require to get more Experience through battleplan.

Field Marshals can assign more traits, general ones are fine as well.

 

[Vidkjaer]

Something is wrong with the XP system. I fought a 2 front war against France and Russia as imperial Germany from 1940-43 and I had 2 full panzer armies of 14 armored and 10 motorized divisions fighting for pretty much the whole war and neither of the Panzer Generals managed to level up. I killed something like 5 million russians and another 1.5 million french and Rommel who had been fighting with tanks since day 1 was only 30% towards getting panzer leader and he has a trait that gives +100% to armored experience...

Panzer Leader requires an armor division to have >40% hardness. For full effect your would need 24 armor divisions with each on >40% hardness under Rommels command for him to gain the panzer leader trait fastest. If you mix in other types of divisions the gain is slower.

 

[Hopit]

Gain is way too slow

Imagine trying to get a lvl 10 field marshal

Until I am proven otherwise, I will claim it to be literally impossible to get as china(s)

 

[Vidkjaer]

Imagine trying to get a lvl 10 field marshal

Until I am proven otherwise, I will claim it to be literally impossible to get as china(s)

FM's can command an army and there by level up faster..., but i dont think the skill level of a FM have any meaning in the game. Only the skill for attack/defense/planning/logistics.

 

[Hopit]

FM's can command an army and there by level up faster..., but i dont think the skill level of a FM have any meaning in the game. Only the skill for attack/defense/planning/logistics.

There's an achievement to have a lvl 10 FM.
After grinding my way through millions of chinese, japanese and soviet troops, (as PRC) My highest lvl for a general was 6 and FM 5 (by 1945)

The experience gain is way, way too slow (also, xp requirements for some perks are way too high, as I haven't even unlocked half of them after 5 finished games)

 

[Denkt]

Is there a xp penalty for commanding too many divisions or armies? Otherwise you could just put all your divisions under a single commander to get as much xp as possible for that commander.

 

[Less2]

There's an achievement to have a lvl 10 FM.
After grinding my way through millions of chinese, japanese and soviet troops, (as PRC) My highest lvl for a general was 6 and FM 5 (by 1945)

The experience gain is way, way too slow (also, xp requirements for some perks are way too high, as I haven't even unlocked half of them after 5 finished games)

If it still works as before, the best results are obtained with lots of small divisions. Are you fielding 2-width?