Few questions about alliances

[Drow7]

If there is alliance with more than two empires, can members vote to kick somebody out or those unhappy only have option to leave?

If you are facing hostile alliance, can you befriend at least one member to vote against attacking you, effectively preventing alliance to attack you at all or no matter how much they like you they will vote war for possibility of taking more territory?

 

[Mordaith]

These are really good questions that I am embarrassed I've never asked before.

 

[Oscot]

These ARE good questions.
For both, the answer is "We don't know". But my suspicion is that the answer to both of them is 'no'.
In the first instance, what reason would you have to boot someone out? With war devlaration denied to them there's not that much trouble they could be causing you. Also it would kind of defeat the point of the whole 'long-lasting anti-blob quasi-coalitions' that are part of the design for Stellaris AI empires.
As for the second, buying someone's veto in a different spiral arm's vote, while deliciously Machiavellian, is I suspect a bit too meta for any AI to handle.

 

[Drow7]

These ARE good questions.
For both, the answer is "We don't know". But my suspicion is that the answer to both of them is 'no'.
In the first instance, what reason would you have to boot someone out? With war devlaration denied to them there's not that much trouble they could be causing you. Also it would kind of defeat the point of the whole 'long-lasting anti-blob quasi-coalitions' that are part of the design for Stellaris AI empires.
As for the second, buying someone's veto in a different spiral arm's vote, while deliciously Machiavellian, is I suspect a bit too meta for any AI to handle.

First question is actually reaction to situation in second question.
But point is that opinions and goals of members of alliance don't always stay unchanged since establishing alliance.

 

[Jerev]

In my opinion it has to be possible to kick members out. Otherwise you could only leave an alliance and hope that others follow you and help reestablish the alliance.

As for befriending a member of another alliance so that they won't vote for war against you, that should be possible. If one member doesn't hate you or at leasyt not much you could sent them an embassy so that they like you. Why would they want to fight you then?

 

[Oscot]

Why would they want to fight you then?

Loot

 

[Jerev]

Loot

We talk about reasonable (AI) empires not human players who always behave like mentally challenged monkeys on drugs

 

[Oscot]

We talk about reasonable (AI) empires not human players who always behave like mentally challenged monkeys on drugs

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