Feudal elective system - de facto vassal vote

[Merrylin]

Hello!

In my current game I'm the duchess of Dauphiné (primary title), Savoy and Aquitaine (secondary titles). My succession is under feudal elective.

In my personnal demesne I hold all the counties of Dauphiné (and Savoy) except the county of Vivarais, which is vassal of the duke of Provence. So there should be only two electors for the election: me, and the count of Vivarais.

However, I notice that all my vassal counts of Aquitaine are electors even if they are not de jure part of the duchy of Dauphiné. This is contradictory with what the wiki says: "Valid electors are all holders of de jure vassal titles one tier lower than the elected title".

At worst, we should expect separate elections for the three duchies of Aquitaine, Dauphiné and Savoy, but not the counts of Aquitaine voting for the Dauphiné succession. Can you explain it to me?

 

[Bipole]

Every valid vassal is an elector, in addition to de jure vassals.

 

[Merrylin]

Ok thanks for your answer. What is a valid vassal then? This is contradictory with a second situation in my game.

The king of France created the kingdom of Aquitaine. Both kingdoms are under the feudal elective system and now there is two different elections for the two successions (there is a risk of splitting up the kingdom, especially since the stubborn king himself is voting for two different candidates...).

I'm the duchess of Dauphiné (my primary title), Savoy and Aquitaine. As the duchess of Aquitaine, de jure part of the kingdom of Aquitaine, I can vote for the Aquitaine kingdom succession. But as the duchess of Dauphiné, de facto part of the kingdom of France (the primary title of my king), I cannot vote for the France kingdom succession. Why am I not a valid vassal for the France election then?

Why, for the successions of the kingdoms of France and Aquitaine, is there two different elections, but for the successions of the duchies of Aquitaine, Dauphiné and Savoy, only the Dauphiné election?

Thanks for your help...

 

[Bipole]

Kingdoms and Empires function differently to duchies. I've never actually used elective on a ducal title before, but for the other forms of succession law, only the primary ducal title is factored in, the others are inert.

 

[Merrylin]

Thanks for your answers, that makes sense. I never read this explained clearly in the game or in the wiki, although it would have been useful given the complexity of the succession system and its particular cases.