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Ok, the Ganges valley is where the people are anyway. Cheap labour, just what I need for my industrial miracle. Crushing Punjab (and Japan as necessary) should not be difficult now the Africans have thrown in the towel.
As for Rome, would have been nice but oh well, we haven't held it since the first millennium (except for that brief conquest by Thomas) anyway. The City of Men's Desire is a much more recent loss.
That's been discussed before along with releasing PersiaNo releasing Fatimids?
. I'm afraid it's hard to do with the restriction that Africa is going to be let intact.
Africa did not surrender, it fougth to the death You should know my way by now
And the Plan B, would have worked, its 60 tanks and 60 motorised divisions pouring into flat land...despite you would have had defenders there it wouldnt have mattered. we would have been able to use the mass and in concentrated fashion that was not aviable in the wide front
You should know my way by now And the Plan B, would have worked, its 60 tanks and 60 motorised divisions pouring into flat land...despite you would have had defenders there it wouldnt have mattered. we would have been able to use the mass and in concentrated fashion that was not aviable in the wide front
Fivoin, re:India: please be sure to understand:
The Africans asking for terms was contingent on Japan and Punjab agreeing to peace, and that peace is contingent on India remaining Punjabi. Considering that India is possibly the least-developed area in OTL, that should not be a big issue. Bengal should not be an issue, though.
The Africans asking for terms was contingent on Japan and Punjab agreeing to peace, and that peace is contingent on India remaining Punjabi. Considering that India is possibly the least-developed area in OTL, that should not be a big issue. Bengal should not be an issue, though.
Aye, let none doubt your valor!
I remain unconvinced. I had a pretty good defensive situation set up along the line that we ended up fighting at with 120 mobile divisions helping to hold where needed. Anyway, it's hard to say this or that at this stage without delving too deep into theorycrafting.
Aha, I see. India remains Punjabi.
I agree with Fiv on this one. I witnessed the African 150-division offensive in Glebokie, and it was very unpretty and somewhat noobish on their side.
The thing is, they failed to realize that cycling is much more effective than overwhelming force at one time. They were consistently waaay over the command limit, which killed the effectiveness of their forces. If you want to fight a battle with more than 24 divisions per originating province, you NEED to cycle. That the Africans did not realize that that is necessary would have cost them massive battles every. time.
we asked the terms, but never accepted them
then again, i have (well jodokus even more) once fougth "to the death" in conversion game hoi phase, that lasted three to four session and the only way to survive the last bitter session was with bottle of vodka, so Indeed Im never ever going to actually do that ever again.
well my thesis bases on the fact that since we (unfortuanetly since the information was aquired by blayne's cheating) knew some what how much troops you had, counted how much was marching east, and how much were in the border, we would have had the local superiority we never ever had in other battles of the war. Also we would have not have Blayne's ego to be bambered, nor other fronts to divide our focus. Most of the time, the eastern front was handled by Blayne, expect the times something almost broke there, and I needed to come fixing it, and the time Migthy was subbing russia and we actually pushed hard (and won the first war by it)
All credit to blayne, he knows lot of AoD and has ability to bring sort of In-the-character strategical mastermindness and detailed knowledge into the game that actually made it fun to be part of, had the situation been more relaxed. He still is one of the very few that I could honestly trust the leadership of my army and not expect it to chatastrophically fail the moment I turned my back.
You guys have seen his threads in our now open private forum, And I bet you have to admit that there is that certain sense of magic in Blayne's ways to do strategical thinking; something that is easy to jump in and follow, as I did, after the first war session made me realise how different AoD was from Hoi2ARMA. In fairness sake, some qualities of Blayne's posting persona actually comes to their best (and I mean this in good way) in grandiose plans and mega-posts about what we should do in next session. Blayne plays whit big heart and full heart and if one wants to play that way himself, its easy to jump into the wagon.
But
He had his changes to make progress and make his plans. You guys read all those grand schemes, plans and detailed course of actions he had to "encircle the german army and kill his units for big morale blow", for every session in the war, the pattern was; me and jodokus anticipated failure and wanted to move more cautiosly and blayne rebuked us and sort of "bougth" us back with promises of great victories, all detaily planned beforehand... none of them eventually happened so or succeeded. Blayne was always concerting those plans in the next session as well.
One can make wrong assumptions once, or twice or even thrird time, taken that the situations vary...but when it comes to habbit...well...bells and whistles. Naturally afterwards the blame was always for me and jodokus not building airports...
. After reading your guys secret threads, Im even more sure that we were fighting a lost cause under self-imposed delusion of our own undefeatability that only succeeded in little peaks imtimitate your side....but never enough.(and as Oddman examble puts its up, Blayne was the one who claims he knows most of us all about AoD war figthing, always lectured about overstacking; yet he was the one who commanded those big oversized attacks against germans, and it was usually I who had to shout him to cut the attacks off when they were well beyond the chanche to ever be won. Its easy to waste MP when its not from your own pool. Not that our pools were empty though)
Massed attacks are not even that good on Hoi2, specially if you disregard HQs and proper leaders. One of the biggest reasons why Blayne's efforts gained so anti-climax was not that he knew and proved out how I didn't know AoD was different - and thats true, has this been hoi2, we would have won, - but in showing ingorance and unfamiliriaty to certain basic things of hoi2 that are still the same in AoD. Mass is strength always, specially in "fire" but its the "movement" that decides in the game, and that movement we never managed to achieve under blaynes leadership
I somewhat feel betrayed by blayne, failed expectations and bit of fool for not taking the controll before it was too late. But its not something to be let under our skin, rather something that needs to be decided on the battlefield....
But...
The orginal Plan B would have been (if we wouldnt have screwed up the scheduling) be the only time when I would have been able to lead jodo's tanks in grand strategical level. If we would have had ever the chanche to win these wars ever, I say that moment was our biggest "what if" moment, something that in hindsigth to feel good about. Its hard to explain how I would have fougth, becouse I always let the situation and feeling decide most, and I never really got the change to figth with the tanks in this game; you need to join some hoi game we play in weekdays to get the proper answer. If I couldn't have succeed in the Plan B, well then basicly the whole AoD phase of this game would have been just big waste of everyone's time and the winners should have been announced in the conversion.
So thats why atleast I need to believe I could have won, otherwise I would have been just damn fool wasting my time. And I dont want to feel like I was since I did enjoy this game, it was short, but fun and good experience alltogether for the entire marathon taken how much drama it had included.
Sorry for the long post, but for the last post, one needs to be more open. FOR GWYNNEDD; WALES AND ENGLAND; LONG LIVE THE CHILDREN OF THE DÔN!!
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We will have to agree to disagree about the outcome of your Plan B then.
I would say that time spent having fun is never wasted.
Terms for peace would start out at vassalization and losing all outside mainland Africa; probably after nuking we would accept a peace which does not include vassalization, but still sees Africa humbled.
Or we could fight you to the death, and your death it would have been - albeit long in coming, probably.
I, too, did enjoy the game, and playing with you, Golle. I forgive you for accusing me of using OOG methods to achieve IG aims.
And your exclamation to Dôn makes me smile
ye... there was lots of "wrong" things done in this game. Like in all games of magnitude porpotions. My conduct in the Khmerian affair was not that proud one either, for example, despite it served the penny and bitter revenge to V_R over that NAP breaking issue, but in retrorespect it was not that nice to blame noobness of "I didn't know how to accept alligments" behind blue eyes, but at that time It was almost physically impossible for me to even think of beeing same side with him...even If I wouldnt have been there to sub with instructions from the parties planning to annex Khmer... I was not the master mind of it though, mere tool to be used like in all good b-rate movies when the villain needs to find that alcoholised ex-something and use his personal revenge as instrument of something more evil...
...then again, nobody raised an eyebrown when Jodokus (for christ sake) subbed Quebeck when I annexed it in single war in eu3...
...Drama is drama...too clinic games are too boredom to be with, and passion (even from hatred fueled one) keeps people addicted to the games like these. The gentle balance just needs to be maintained that it doesen't overblow and ruin the game; thus strong GM is the most important thing for the new game(s)
Also Most of the OOG methods to achieve IG aims accuses were actually my fustration over the situation since I too wrote PM to KoM that propably helped him to make decission that lead to Elcyins banning and Mayi's resigning, and in that phase of the game it was sever blown, that propably ensured the very outcome we had last saturday. I didn't hope elcy's banning, and got outraged that it was apparently decided by conclave of some players (me not beeing invited beeing the biggest outrage naturally ) So someone needed to be blamed. My own decission to switch from England to Persia was propably the biggest mistake ever, so i got served most bitterly in the end..
What other sins to be confessed?
at somepoint I was allied to almost all nations in eu3...
The AoD phase managed to go out rather mildly compared to previous game's storms.
PS: What ever happened to Carillons? did he reappeared since his mysterious whitdrawal or did he just ...vanished away?
...then again, nobody raised an eyebrown when Jodokus (for christ sake) subbed Quebeck when I annexed it in single war in eu3...
...Drama is drama...too clinic games are too boredom to be with, and passion (even from hatred fueled one) keeps people addicted to the games like these. The gentle balance just needs to be maintained that it doesen't overblow and ruin the game; thus strong GM is the most important thing for the new game(s)
Also Most of the OOG methods to achieve IG aims accuses were actually my fustration over the situation since I too wrote PM to KoM that propably helped him to make decission that lead to Elcyins banning and Mayi's resigning, and in that phase of the game it was sever blown, that propably ensured the very outcome we had last saturday. I didn't hope elcy's banning, and got outraged that it was apparently decided by conclave of some players (me not beeing invited beeing the biggest outrage naturally
) So someone needed to be blamed. My own decission to switch from England to Persia was propably the biggest mistake ever, so i got served most bitterly in the end.. What other sins to be confessed?
at somepoint I was allied to almost all nations in eu3...
The AoD phase managed to go out rather mildly compared to previous game's storms.
PS: What ever happened to Carillons? did he reappeared since his mysterious whitdrawal or did he just ...vanished away?
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Actually, it didn't happen: We didn't play out the last session, we just agreed to end the game. But I'll put up some maps later on, and sketch out my future history of this timeline.
Cash on future-Komnenids coming back with secret weapons. Rome Is gloriously reconquered. Is then divided up in East/West between European and Asian Rome. Barbarians trampled underfoot, etc.
You actually blurted that one out right after you did it. It's just that people didn't care.
