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Hello everyone! Long time no see, I believe I will be gracing you all with my presence this session. I am able to sub this weekend for anyone.
Excellent; I believe Blayne is in need of a sub. Fivoin has one lined up, but it's always good to have a backup.
Wow, this thread is suddenly Old Home Week!
Wow, this thread is suddenly Old Home Week!
Fivoin should be first filled, and I think our side can handle russia with Jodo's work computer.
So. By mutual consent we have ended this Great Game, declaring the alliance of Catalunya-Germany-California-Khanate victorious, with the two first taking a tie for first place.
It remains to hammer out the exact details of the peace treaty. Obviously the victors do not intend to let the losers rebuild for a comeback in the near future; we will try to make a treaty that might reasonably last fifty years or so, setting the geopolitical ground rules for the world for the remainder of the twentieth century and, we hope, good bits of the twenty-first.
For the Khanate, I am demanding the return of Tibet and Bengal. German Indochina, basically Burma, will also be returned, but it's unclear how it will be divided among the victors; I seem to recall that oddman had some provinces he wanted to add to his Indochinese colony. In addition I demand that India be released as a Khanate vassal; Punjabi rule of the place is a very recent development, we are not talking about century-established cores here. The Khanate border with Russia should move back to the Urals, where it was in 1550 - in fact, if it moves to Arkhangelsk, so much the better. Finally, as a symbolic gesture, I wish to annex Rome and Constantinople, although I recognise that these are clearly within the spheres of interest of my allies.
Outside Asia I do not speak for the alliance, so what follows should not be considered official. Obviously the Balkans and Italy will be annexed by the victors, but I don't know how they will divide them. Probably Australia and the other Oceanian possessions of Ethiopia will go to California, with perhaps a few naval bases for Catalunya. The oil-rich Middle East will no doubt also be transferred to the victors. The Kongolese colony in Finland will probably gain independence, or perhaps the Ynglings will make a successful bid for it; I doubt any of the Great Powers want it. Madagascar and other islands off the coast of Africa may be annexed for use as naval and missile bases. Anatolia might be released as an independent state, or a vassal of Germany perhaps. Finally, no doubt the African powers will be forced to disarm, and allow inspectors to ensure that they actually do so; but I think they will be allowed to retain their independence. Who wants to occupy all of Africa for the next fifty years?
For AAR purposes, I'd like it if we had a final peace treaty that everyone agrees to, so I'd appreciate if everyone could chime in and help hammer this thing out.
It remains to hammer out the exact details of the peace treaty. Obviously the victors do not intend to let the losers rebuild for a comeback in the near future; we will try to make a treaty that might reasonably last fifty years or so, setting the geopolitical ground rules for the world for the remainder of the twentieth century and, we hope, good bits of the twenty-first.
For the Khanate, I am demanding the return of Tibet and Bengal. German Indochina, basically Burma, will also be returned, but it's unclear how it will be divided among the victors; I seem to recall that oddman had some provinces he wanted to add to his Indochinese colony. In addition I demand that India be released as a Khanate vassal; Punjabi rule of the place is a very recent development, we are not talking about century-established cores here. The Khanate border with Russia should move back to the Urals, where it was in 1550 - in fact, if it moves to Arkhangelsk, so much the better. Finally, as a symbolic gesture, I wish to annex Rome and Constantinople, although I recognise that these are clearly within the spheres of interest of my allies.
Outside Asia I do not speak for the alliance, so what follows should not be considered official. Obviously the Balkans and Italy will be annexed by the victors, but I don't know how they will divide them. Probably Australia and the other Oceanian possessions of Ethiopia will go to California, with perhaps a few naval bases for Catalunya. The oil-rich Middle East will no doubt also be transferred to the victors. The Kongolese colony in Finland will probably gain independence, or perhaps the Ynglings will make a successful bid for it; I doubt any of the Great Powers want it. Madagascar and other islands off the coast of Africa may be annexed for use as naval and missile bases. Anatolia might be released as an independent state, or a vassal of Germany perhaps. Finally, no doubt the African powers will be forced to disarm, and allow inspectors to ensure that they actually do so; but I think they will be allowed to retain their independence. Who wants to occupy all of Africa for the next fifty years?
For AAR purposes, I'd like it if we had a final peace treaty that everyone agrees to, so I'd appreciate if everyone could chime in and help hammer this thing out.
We would have never agreed on that, we would have fought to the death!!!!
....but in sake of convinience and comfortability, this decision was alot better. It's alot easier to say we would have fought than actually fight...
....but in sake of convinience and comfortability, this decision was alot better. It's alot easier to say we would have fought than actually fight...
Bengal back to Komgolia, sure, I would back that; independent India, no. I value Japanese cooperation too much to agree to that. Sorry.
Africa for the Africans, even Madagascar, but not Mauritius and Reunion. Possibly not even vassalization, but certainly primacy-admission. (Which in fact happened already.)
All Atlantic islands to me.
Australia & NZ to Dano; Ethiopian Indonesia & Oceania & Indian Ocean possessions to be divided between Dano and me.
Croatia resurrected as German vassal, with significant parts annexed to Germany (Italy, Poland, Austria).
The African Middle East shared between California and Catalonia, with the Suez canal shared between Ethiopia and Catalonia, as Gibraltar is shared between Kongo and Catalonia.
I would be willing to entertain Constantinople as a Roman outpost. Fiv has the say with respect to Rome, as Italy is clearly in the German sphere.
Russia to exist as-was-before-African-vassalization, minus Poland and Hungary, provided Blayne doesn't pull any stupid shit, assuming he in fact turns as we discussed.
Africa for the Africans, even Madagascar, but not Mauritius and Reunion. Possibly not even vassalization, but certainly primacy-admission. (Which in fact happened already.)
All Atlantic islands to me.
Australia & NZ to Dano; Ethiopian Indonesia & Oceania & Indian Ocean possessions to be divided between Dano and me.
Croatia resurrected as German vassal, with significant parts annexed to Germany (Italy, Poland, Austria).
The African Middle East shared between California and Catalonia, with the Suez canal shared between Ethiopia and Catalonia, as Gibraltar is shared between Kongo and Catalonia.
I would be willing to entertain Constantinople as a Roman outpost. Fiv has the say with respect to Rome, as Italy is clearly in the German sphere.
Russia to exist as-was-before-African-vassalization, minus Poland and Hungary, provided Blayne doesn't pull any stupid shit, assuming he in fact turns as we discussed.
what we had in mind (in case someone wants to test themselves)
was to abandon russia and the eastern front... its easier to defend the straits and Caucasus, use our better airfields to really put our airsuperiority (in terms of numbers and know-how to use air) to play to prevent them to do anything aside nuking us to get trough, and meanwhile bring the mobile forces down south, drive spain out to the sea and only then pledge terms, accept and resign.
was to abandon russia and the eastern front... its easier to defend the straits and Caucasus, use our better airfields to really put our airsuperiority (in terms of numbers and know-how to use air) to play to prevent them to do anything aside nuking us to get trough, and meanwhile bring the mobile forces down south, drive spain out to the sea and only then pledge terms, accept and resign.
So Bengal is just the eastern bit of what we've been calling "Burma", the bit that includes Calcutta, so I believe my allies will back that one. As for India, I guess it basically depends on what Fivoin says. Punjab I can crush like a bug; if Germany helps me I can hold off Japan at the same time.
Since we are revealing plans, I can mention at this point that Japan would pretty shortly have regretted concentrating all their industries in the Home Islands. Having five provinces contain half your industry is great until your enemies parallel-build 20 serials of long-range missiles.
Also, HAD we ever won germany, the map would have looked like this:
The orginal Plan B with me and jodokus was to let russia first take of all he wanted from germany (its easier to deal whit blayne when you let him think he is getting his way) and the cut him into two in immediate sneak attack, while we could count blayne was still building just militia and once paniced, to build more militia as well.
The actuall Plan B was the sneaky trap to germany that would have worked, had not all of ethiopian tanks been in provinces captured from Soviet Union (that we have to white peace in order to betray blayne)
then the tanks went to Gonder, and once they were back in europe, fivoin had allready set up defences.
The orginal Plan B with me and jodokus was to let russia first take of all he wanted from germany (its easier to deal whit blayne when you let him think he is getting his way) and the cut him into two in immediate sneak attack, while we could count blayne was still building just militia and once paniced, to build more militia as well.
The actuall Plan B was the sneaky trap to germany that would have worked, had not all of ethiopian tanks been in provinces captured from Soviet Union (that we have to white peace in order to betray blayne)
then the tanks went to Gonder, and once they were back in europe, fivoin had allready set up defences.
Agreed on Bengal.
I'm fairly confident Fiv will listen to me over you on India, though.
It's 22 parallel serials, actually. Just for Cata, at least. They finish every 35 days once gearing maxes (which will be in 2 more cycles).
Well congratulations to Oddman and Fivoin. I think you both earned your victory.
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I'm pretty sure it wouldn't; that line of defense in Poland was more or less set up during the entire war with Russia and I had only a fraction of my forces in Russia.
Thanks! Good game and good fighting everyone who has participated.
You Africans surrendering now was probably the best for your people, no one had to die in nuclear fire.
I've got no problem giving Constantinople back to its rightful owners but I'm afraid that Rome is German. For the first time since the fall of the first Roman Empire all of Italy will be united under one banner!
Russia up until Arkhangelsk to the Khanate, no doubt, and you better build a good railway system to there so that we can trade and I can send... volunteers to you. Finland as a German vassal-state, can't trust them Ynglings!
As for India I suggest splitting it in half, northern part being a Khanate puppet and the rest fully independent. That should satisfy everyone except Punjab but eh, can't have everything.