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I would accept that bet under the condition that it was GM enforced, no one could attack either me or KoM during that duration, and cannot end or be peaced until one annexes the other.

That'd be fun. Imagine all the world being owned by Germany, while the the war in Untouchable Central Asia rages on for ever more.
 

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Hell no, Russia is our minion country, we have other use for it that to rattle sabres with some other alliances minion country...
 

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I object to the term "rattling sabers"! Our nomad allies are armed, for purposes of close combat, with only the finest 1882-pattern shashka, in addition of course to their brace of M1912 revolvers. The shashka differs from the sabre in being almost guardless and having a broader blade, allowing a wider range of movement and less flopping about. And while the Russian military is backwards in all kinds of ways, they have at least managed to catch up with this nineteenth-century technology, and their Cossacks also wield the shashka, albeit of an inferior and cheaper pattern. So 'rattling shashkas' would be the correct term for threatening warfare across the steppe border. :nods:
 

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Projected warfare: trench warfare, and an ever slowly intensifying air campaign. The Mongols have air and a slight industrial advantage, while the Russians have none. However, fixed AA is cheaper and quicker to build. I predict a long long stalemate due to the travelling time from one province to the next. The front can easily be locked down 2 or 3 provinces deep, and it's no joke to fight in Siberia in winter.
 

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Yes. It might not be a very interesting war as far as gameplay went. It should be possible to write a reasonable AAR about the Fimbulwinter War, though.
 

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That's one reason my suggestion wasn't very serious. :) But I suppose that if the Great Powers agreed to declare war on anyone who DOWed either Russia or the Khanate, then Punjab would sit still for it whether he liked it or not.

Of course, another possibility is that Punjab is welcome to send a delegation to New Byzantium to discuss how the Czar's territories might best be redistributed to worthier polities. :)
 

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I'm 101% confident that I could easily hold the two provinces wide front behind a river with forts with about 2 stacks of 24 militia. Aircraft aren't that effective against large stacks of infantry due to accumulated air defence, and plus there's virtually no airfields out there, I could plop down AA before he could.
 

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two provinces wide front behind a river with forts

...which currently has zero troops in it, while I've got two corps' worth of border guards...

No, seriously. It would obviously be a grinding attritional fight if it could be done at all. In any sort of serious war with Russia my strategy is to plonk down some holding forces in Siberia and then go invade Punjab. The terrain is still atrocious but at least the front is more than two provinces wide; and while that's going on Blayne is sure to make some remark that pisses off a nuclear power. :D

Peace, Blayne! I didn't mean my throwaway remark as any sort of insult to your armed rabble weaponised mobs splendid army.
 

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While I'm tempted to simply allow you to continue your egregious misunderestimation of my militaries capabilities at your own peril, I feel somewhat obligated to point out a fact.

1. My forces as I said, are behind the river, the river that does not directly border Mongolia but is a province or two behind the border, of which last time I checked the save they are very much in position.

I'm partly motivated by the fact that Golle and Jodokus continue to mock my militia's contributions. So this is to set the record straight that Militia aren't useless within their intended niche, but perform admirably within.
 

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My forces as I said, are behind the river, the river that does not directly border Mongolia but is a province or two behind the border, of which last time I checked the save they are very much in position.

Well, I don't know how you expect anyone to trust you when you do sneaky stuff like putting border guards away from the border they are guarding! And anyway, that means that the stalemate would start a province or two inside your territory. So I would be constantly pointing out that "Hey, you're the one whose territory is being occupied here, not me". Eventually this would drive you so nuts that you'd order your militia out of the trenches and into attacks; and then I'd write a heart-breaking AAR from the point of view of the Legionnaire whose sad task it would be to machine-gun them all down. And then all the peanuts would love me. Victory!
 

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Compared to having to listen to Gollevainen and Jodokus prattle on about grand strategy with the same air and degree of proficiency of Hitler from those Downfall videos people loved to make involving yours truly I assure you Sir or Mi'Lord whichever you prefer, that there is absolutely nothing you could say to sufficiently provoke me to suicidal counter attacks.

As my to-do strategy going is is

1. Hold the river line.
2. Whore IC while Germany is GM enforced not to attack me.
2.5. ????
3. Profit!!!!

So clearly the optimal strategy is for us both to agree to half heartedly attack each other to make a show of it for the peanuts while both of us wink wink nudge nudge and just build IC while the world isn't looking. ;)
 

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Compared to having to listen to Gollevainen and Jodokus prattle on about grand strategy with the same air and degree of proficiency of Hitler from those Downfall videos people loved to make involving yours truly I assure you Sir or Mi'Lord whichever you prefer, that there is absolutely nothing you could say to sufficiently provoke me to suicidal counter attacks.

As my to-do strategy going is is

1. Hold the river line.
2. Whore IC while Germany is GM enforced not to attack me.
2.5. ????
3. Profit!!!!

So clearly the optimal strategy is for us both to agree to half heartedly attack each other to make a show of it for the peanuts while both of us wink wink nudge nudge and just build IC while the world isn't looking. ;)
I am gonna wait for the AAR by KoM that has his paradropping legions, in their armor and all, behind your river line encircling your line, and leading to a crushing victory :p
 
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Well, I don't know how you expect anyone to trust you when you do sneaky stuff like putting border guards away from the border they are guarding! And anyway, that means that the stalemate would start a province or two inside your territory. So I would be constantly pointing out that "Hey, you're the one whose territory is being occupied here, not me". Eventually this would drive you so nuts that you'd order your militia out of the trenches and into attacks; and then I'd write a heart-breaking AAR from the point of view of the Legionnaire whose sad task it would be to machine-gun them all down. And then all the peanuts would love me. Victory!

I'd protest that we're not really that shallow, but at the very least I am. Ah well.
 

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Well, I don't know how you expect anyone to trust you when you do sneaky stuff like putting border guards away from the border they are guarding! And anyway, that means that the stalemate would start a province or two inside your territory. So I would be constantly pointing out that "Hey, you're the one whose territory is being occupied here, not me". Eventually this would drive you so nuts that you'd order your militia out of the trenches and into attacks; and then I'd write a heart-breaking AAR from the point of view of the Legionnaire whose sad task it would be to machine-gun them all down. And then all the peanuts would love me. Victory!

I'd protest that we're not really that shallow, but at the very least I am. Ah well.

Yeah... me too.
 

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Well, I don't know how you expect anyone to trust you when you do sneaky stuff like putting border guards away from the border they are guarding! And anyway, that means that the stalemate would start a province or two inside your territory. So I would be constantly pointing out that "Hey, you're the one whose territory is being occupied here, not me". Eventually this would drive you so nuts that you'd order your militia out of the trenches and into attacks; and then I'd write a heart-breaking AAR from the point of view of the Legionnaire whose sad task it would be to machine-gun them all down. And then all the peanuts would love me. Victory!

I already love you, KoM.

Please have my babies.
 

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I'm partly motivated by the fact that Golle and Jodokus continue to mock my militia's contributions. So this is to set the record straight that Militia aren't useless within their intended niche, but perform admirably within.

Yes, militia performed well in taking the damage while the actuall Kongolese infantry or Ethiopian tanks made the difference between victory and defeat from the battles. If africans wouldn't be swimming in our bottomless brown lake of manpower, it would have propably made even some differences, but the sad truth still is, that had we had that same MP and IC in form of infantry divisions with proper land doctrine behind them, we would allready be in Berlin ;)

In next war (if Africans still need to figth one with russia) the militia indeed will be in KoM's border (even if KoM decides to be on same side as we) and atleast Africans wont shatter that much tears for their loss, nor Komgolian AAr's about their slaughter.

Also, people tend to forget that we managed to win in europe basicly becouse 1.) In the most important early phase we could evacuate greece and bring 40 divisions to Romania to halt any attempt that Germans had for advancing... and by 2) When we landed 70 divisions to Italy in the late phase of the war, that eventually made german to realise (apparently) that it was wiser to cut loses in Poland and in occupied terretory of croatia rather than have the war fougth on his heartlands.
In both incase the Punjabese Merchant marine proved out to be most cruisal element of our success, and in effect those 8 slow steamers contributed lot more to the war than the Russian militia ever did.
In future I hope all our allies will know how to prioritise their small IC/MP into most cost effective use, not into logic of "what I can get most with that prize"... no... it needs to be,"what is the BEST i can get with that prize"