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There are those among us who propably want to just build IC untill 1960's and then end it nicely and calmly... then there are we who want to more blood to the blood gods and figth till the late 40's ....and there is falador and jodokus who eventually wants to nuke everyone...

so I guess the rest of the year with this pace....(we made 2 months last session, thouhg it was intense war and lot of crashing)
 

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so I guess the rest of the year with this pace....(we made 2 months last session, thouhg it was intense war and lot of crashing)

In time for the Byz expansion then. I call dibs on the Fatimids. :D

Can the peanuts have a rough estimate on the military power of the blocks, as well as where the armies/fleets are stationed or engaged?
 

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My main bafflement with KoM's back stab here is that usually they're well times or had a good chance to work, this one made absolutely no sense and will just result in him once more fighting on three fronts and alone, the Germans who helped him alst time are trapped in Burma and easily contained by rivers.
 

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My main bafflement with KoM's back stab here is that usually they're well times or had a good chance to work, this one made absolutely no sense and will just result in him once more fighting on three fronts and alone, the Germans who helped him alst time are trapped in Burma and easily contained by rivers.

Well, you're missing the thematic resonance of attacking a China that's been completely denuded of troops because the owner sent his army to fight in Europe. The bodhisattva said, "Man does not live by game-mechanical effectiveness alone"! But aside from that, I disagree with you on the likely consequences.
 

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Can the peanuts have a rough estimate on the military power of the blocks, as well as where the armies/fleets are stationed or engaged?

There are three main theatres: Europe, Central Asia and East Asia/Pacific.

The vast majority of land and air forces (the balance of Spain, Germany, Russia and Africa, even some Japanese and Punjabi) are at the Eastern Front. Also, Old Byzantium is stacked with Africans, necessitating a similar German commitment. Due to naval range, the majority of naval garrisons are in Europe as well; North Africa for the Africans (but I'm counting that as the 'European' theatre). Synopsis of the Eastern Front: trench warfare, where Fiv and me are outnumbered by hordes of relatively ill-equipped Russians and Africans. Except for the Ethiopian panzer armies. Ethiopians are scary. Damnit, Irsh, why couldn't you have stayed?

Central Asia is Mark and KoM's party; I have basically no clue what is going on there. No disrespect intended, but given the nations' IC, it can't be much. Not compared to the 1200 IC vs 1200 IC meatgrinder in Russia.

As for East Asia/Pacific:
The Pacific is primarily a naval engagement between Japan on one side and California and Catalonia on the other, with some German expeditionary forces. So far, we seem to be winning, but both sides are taking serious losses - so far, I have lost 4 CV-IV's and some 6 transports already, and I hear Dano's losses are significant, too. On the other hand, we have reason to believe we have taken out most of the Japanese transport fleet as well, and I haven't seen a Japanese CV in months.
Main air commitment is naval/tactical bombers on the Komintern side and fighters on mine. I just caught a big group of them over the Java sea - that was fun to watch! As on the Eastern front, the limiting factor is airfields. Dano and I tend to prioritize airfields, and we've captured quite a number of them in Indonesia. Land forces wise, for the amphibious campaign the limiting factor tends to be not the total amount of dudes but the ability to ferry them from one island to the other. No mean feat when there are enemy fleets lounging around. Notable engagements (as in, actual forces from both sides fighting): the Californian conquest of Australia, the landings on Palau, the standoff on Sulawesi/Celebes, the airborne landings on Kalimantan/Borneo.

The East Asian front is determined by on which side this leg's flip-floppers are (both KoM and Falador have flipped as well as flopped). There is a significant German contingent stranded in Burma. Otherwise, I'm not keeping track, but I understand KoM is ready to overrun Japan's mainland possessions. Not much army there, then.


Completely unrelated: man, marines take dog-damned long to train.
 

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This from the man whose actual capital is Hiroshima? You should live so long.

Urban, high-IC Hiroshima, at war with factions known to have Manhattan Projects.

For the sake of the people of Japan, I hope you sue for peace soon.
 

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Oddman neglects to mention we managed to completely sucker bunch the Spanish-Germans by landing in Venice and in Taranto from Sicily; distracting what seems to be an entire Panzer army from the front allowing for a massive breakthrough into Romania, if they could not stop us here they shall not stop us anywhere.
 

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QQing about marines
Pfft, all you titans of industry have the industry to spare for marines in the first place is discouraging... I mean I got no where near enough to manage my upgrades or province repairs let alone for building new troops...
Someone think of the poor little Californians!
 
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Central Asia is Mark and KoM's party; I have basically no clue what is going on there. No disrespect intended, but given the nations' IC, it can't be much. Not compared to the 1200 IC vs 1200 IC meatgrinder in Russia.

Oddman is, of course, correct that neither Punjab nor the Khanate can commit forces anywhere near the size of the vast armies slugging it out in Russia. At the moment, even less is committed than we theoretically have; both sides are fighting with shoestring and single divisions. In Punjab's case this is because he is rapidly redeploying from Europe to meet my backstab; in my case because I completely noobed things up and had troops inside Japan's borders when I DOWed, so most of my army got SRed to my capital. In any case fighting in the Tibetan highlands is not fast any way you look at it; if I'd had fifty motorised divisions on my side of the border at the moment of the DOW, I'd still be at most one province into Punjab.

Aside from the above general considerations, the East Asian theatre may be subdivided into Korea, China, Indochina, Burma, Tibet, and Siberia. In Korea, due to my aforementioned noobness, there is a Japanese defensive line along our peacetime border, which is also the OTL line of division. The intention, of course, was to seize the Korean ports almost instantly, but as it is, Falador got at least two army corps in there and even launched a brief attack, which he has now given up in the face of my first reinforcements. A grinding attritional campaign unfortunately remains a possibility; Korea is close to the Home Islands. In China there is basically nothing opposing my invasion: Two beachheads contain, respectively, three 1936 infantry and one militia division, all of which are at zero org and hanging on because VoV. Otherwise it's just a question of getting there first. The nomad cavalry is on the way.

Indochina has (based on my alliance line-of-sight from before the DOW) some peacetime garrisons, GAR and MIL, and there's a new stack in Hanoi which I haven't attacked yet, so I don't know what it contains. However it will soon be surrounded; the dang jungle is, at the moment, a much more serious opponent than the IJA. Indochina does of course shade into the Burmese front without any sharp division, and here we find the only serious Japanese force on the mainland, facing the German expeditionary force from my first entry into this war. The Germans have been driven back into a small corner of their Burmese colony, but have used jungle and river skillfully, and managed to hang on through half a year of savage battle. They are to be applauded for the dogged determination that has held up twice their number of Japanese and Punjabi; now, almost at the last minute, their sacrifice will be vindicated - the Legions are coming. Certain Russian propagandists spoke of containing this valiant army; that is all very well, but consider that just a few weeks ago the Japanese were launching broad-front jungle offensives intended to exterminate it. If they are now merely being contained, then already that is evidence that the initiative in this theatre has shifted drastically. And let's also note that the Japanese forces imposing this siege have already got lines of contravallation, in effect containing them.

I already spoke of the Punjabi front: It will be fought mainly in the Tibetan highlands, not anyone's choice of theatre for fast-moving blitz warfare. I expect to mop up the Japanese and then fight a slow grind, first to the old peacetime border, then into Punjab proper. The relative strengths are already known: The Khanate has the power to push back the smaller Punjabi army; Punjab has the power to make the business slow, bloody, unpleasant, and protracted. It is quite likely that this front will be settled by some diplomatic upheaval elsewhere rather than military action, just as happened last time. As an aside, if the reports my intelligence services are bringing me about Punjabi R&D are at all accurate - and while it's true that the Tenth Bureau has not covered itself with glory in this war, still, industrial espionage is supposed to be its special strength - then some upheavals at high levels of the Punjabi government are definitely needed.

Finally, the Siberian front will likely see some minor skirmishes and nothing else: Currently there are a few Khanate corps pushing towards the Urals against no resistance at all, but the terrain is dreadful, the infrastructure is worse, and there's very little of value to either side. Both sides have bigger fish to fry: I expect that the Russians will commit just enough forces to maintain a credible defense, and then we'll both allow this front to settle into quiet obscurity.

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Pfft, all you titans of industry have the industry to spare for marines in the first place is discouraging... I mean I got no where near enough to manage my upgrades or province repairs let alone for building new troops...
Someone think of the poor little Californians!

You've got twice my industry. And even then I'm pulling a bit away from Punjab and Russia, both of which have base IC around 100, versus my ~120. And lots of damaged ex-Japanese factories to repair...
 

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So lets presume wild successes for the Komgolians KoM:

1. You completely occupy Korea and Japanese China.
2. You manage to free the Germans in Burma and take IndoChina.
3. You managed to make some successes in Punjab.

Congratuations!

But then what? We win in Germany and then 600 divisions can now be send to steamroll you! Your switch moment is shall we say ill timed?
 

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Pfft, all you titans of industry have the industry to spare for marines in the first place is discouraging... I mean I got no where near enough to manage my upgrades or province repairs let alone for building new troops...
Someone think of the poor little Californians!

Yeah, I thought '1500 worth of upgrades? Fuck that, I'll build some modern marines instead. Until I get my Drafted Army slider to a more sane position.'

So lets presume wild successes for the Komgolians KoM:

1. You completely occupy Korea and Japanese China.
2. You manage to free the Germans in Burma and take IndoChina.
3. You managed to make some successes in Punjab.

Congratuations!

But then what? We win in Germany and then 600 divisions can now be send to steamroll you! Your switch moment is shall we say ill timed?

Also note the rather crucial contingency 'we win in Germany.' Personally, I don't see that happening, and if it happens, it will be excruciatingly slow going.
 

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Don't recall two front wars working out historically for "Germany".
 

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But then what?

Then the Africans decide that, since they've got all those divisions right on your border anyway, it would be a waste of time to send them all the way across Russia without conquering you on the way. Your militia run from Berlin to Ryazan, VoVing and SEing all the way; by the time the Africans reach the Siberian border - sometime in 1955 - all their units are down to 10 strength each. I let them march through Roman Siberia while the Kataphrakts, having finally reached Persia, enter the oil-rich Middle East. Profit!
 
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