Ferocious Soldiers Roaring: MP Megacampaign

[Sid Meier]

Russia is a vassal of Africa? Is that what actually happened or is it just a little exaggeration on your part? Why betray the very nations you're surrounded by?
Also, Japan is becoming one of my favorite nations. Go Falador!





If I'm a troll then what is Anders? Tzeentch?

I wasn't referring to you...!


edit: regarding militia, militia are mathematically an economically sound investment, I wouldnt even have half the troops, not even a quarter of what I currently do without having had built them, also theyre perfectly suiotable for defense.

The problem was they werent really in position and were made to do the counter attacking role which they are unsuitable for.

Its also not 80% but more around 60%, rest are infantry with arty.

Honestly I liked my suggestion better of simply playing double agent and informing them of naval movements, I suggested an invasion in albania to outflank the german forces but they wanted a ground invasion through russia.

Also my army wasnt in China, only 15 divisions made it, by switching sides and the destinatins becomming hostile the maority of my forces actually got instantly deployed to my capital. It just took too long for them to be moved to the front (and were moved to Ukraine instead of the Baltic).



Anyways what happened was I saw a very King of Men like oppurtunity to become a first rank power by annexing Germany and I took it when they're front was empty, things didn't go as planned.

 

[King of Men]

How are MP/resources? Are KoMgols running dry?

Nah, manpower I have in plenty. My bottleneck is IC to turn manpower into actual troops.

Anyways what happened was I saw a very King of Men like oppurtunity to become a first rank power by annexing Germany and I took it when they're front was empty, things didn't go as planned.

Oddly enough, backstabs rarely do. Remember the time I invaded a completely empty China out of Norwegian Siberia, and found out that you had a nuke left over? Oops!

 

[Gollevainen]

edit: regarding militia, militia are mathematically an economically sound investment, I wouldnt even have half the troops, not even a quarter of what I currently do without having had built them, also theyre perfectly suiotable for defense.

You never build militia...its complete waste of...well everything. Better to build static anti-air than militia. Or if you do, you should at least make your allies aware of that you don't have any troops. Because I cannot think any better anti-climax than waiting eagerly of 51 divisions arrive into the battlefield, were you kinda need urgent filling of the caps just to found out that of those 51, 49 are militia...

with small nations in games like these, exspecially if not in good alliance, you need to build as much of proper troops as possible. First put the MP to the field and only then start building IC and other less important stuff. I mean this isen't the first time I need to yell to Blayne that "BUILD SOME F****G TROOPS!!!"

 

[Jakalo]

Militias can be efficient as a part of mixed corps 1inf/2mil or 2inf/1mil. Pure militia works only on defense which in turn means they don`t work at all because if your ''defensive'' troops lack counter attacking power you have no ability of elastic defense.

 

[Edzako]

Militias can be efficient as a part of mixed corps 1inf/2mil or 2inf/1mil. Pure militia works only on defense which in turn means they don`t work at all because if your ''defensive'' troops lack counter attacking power you have no ability of elastic defense.

At least in vanilla. This is AoD so they may have changed unit stats. Also are you in need of subs ?

 

[Gollevainen]

well if blayne is not getting his connections in order, we migth need new russian player

as it comes to militia, yea, in mixed stacks when absolutely dont have anything else to defend, then use militia. But when you are about to invade your neighbour 3 times of your size and capacity, you.dont.build.militia....

 

[Sid Meier]

well if blayne is not getting his connections in order, we migth need new russian player

as it comes to militia, yea, in mixed stacks when absolutely dont have anything else to defend, then use militia. But when you are about to invade your neighbour 3 times of your size and capacity, you.dont.build.militia....

I fixed my connection, your attempts to ditch me shall fail!

Militias can be efficient as a part of mixed corps 1inf/2mil or 2inf/1mil. Pure militia works only on defense which in turn means they don`t work at all because if your ''defensive'' troops lack counter attacking power you have no ability of elastic defense.

I have about 50 inf divisions and 200 militia, building 3 inf and 6 militia parallel. Africans keep eating all of my supplies though >:[

Oddly enough, backstabs rarely do. Remember the time I invaded a completely empty China out of Norwegian Siberia, and found out that you had a nuke left over? Oops!

You're misremembering, its even worse, my china was entirely empty but your efforts to drive to my nuclear reactor took so long (Siberian-Russian border to Harbin) that I was able to spam 200 Militia divisions in that time, oops~...

The nuke was in Europe that stopped your invasion of Russia cold, with Indian Gurkha's arriving just in time to stop you from taking Russia's last victory point.

Funniest moment of that campaign though was me counter attacking your troops in Northern italy (pushing into Germany) and you responding "Where did all these Chinese troops come from!?"

My reply was gold "So says General MacArthur!"

 

[Gollevainen]

I fixed my connection, your attempts to ditch me shall fail!

damn, and I almost daydreamed of victory when having experienced player as our sidekick and you 1,000 mile safety distance away from the decission making

 

[oddman]

damn, and I almost daydreamed of victory when having experienced player as our sidekick and you 1,000 mile safety distance away from the decission making

Woo! We stand a chance after all

 

[Irsh Faq]

Woo! We stand a chance after all

Putting on my peanut hat instead of my player hat...

I like the underdog act, but seriously, let's not pretend you and Germany together probably couldn't take on the rest of the world at once AOD has drastically reworked the supply efficiency model, making defense overall much easier and in particular making it very costly to your supply efficiency to send expeditionary forces to the other side of the world. The upshot is that Fortress Europe (now complete, given the annexation of Croatia) and Fortress America respectively are very easy to defend against anyone who is not a neighbor.

You haven't won, yet, but you've pretty much guaranteed that, short of royal screwups or one of you turning on the other, you won't be losing.

So at this point all I demand is the most fireworky victory ever. Nuke everything! I will be sad if all that work I put into Gonder doesn't end in nuclear flame... she is too proud a city for occupation.

Also, Falador, this is why you test major things in SP first

 

[BootOnFace]

I believe that KoM will find a way to make himself a world power soon. Preferably from the annexation of Russia and Punjab.

EDIT: BTW, does anybody else find it amazing that Punjab is a power of the rank of Russia and the Khanate? I never really expected them to do so well. I always thought they would forever be a bottom-class country.

 

[oddman]

I believe that KoM will find a way to make himself a world power soon. Preferably from the annexation of Russia and Punjab.

Punjab, possibly. Russia, unlikely: they made a separate peace.

EDIT: BTW, does anybody else find it amazing that Punjab is a power of the rank of Russia and the Khanate? I never really expected them to do so well. I always thought they would forever be a bottom-class country.

*Cough* Dear sir, I regret to inform you that your frame of reference is sadly upside-down. It's Russia and Mongolia that are third-rate powers; not Punjab that has suddenly rocketed to prominence.
That said, the difference between all nations isn't that huge; a third-tier nation could very well hold off a second-tier nation indefinitely.

 

[King of Men]

To be fair, the conversion was not kind to the Khanate. Punjab would not have dared to challenge me in 1930. Our current war is reasonably 1-vs-1, being a sideshow for both the major alliances; the German expeditionary forces roughly balance the Kongolese ones, so it will be decided by the Roman Legions fighting the Ghazis. (Russia is not at war with Rome.) I hope it remains that way; while I'd like to win, I'd be sad to win by German or Japanese intervention, and even more so to lose by Ethiopian, Kongolese, or Japanese intervention.

That said, annexing Punjab will not exactly catapult me into the majors. If I take over and repair all their 100 base IC, that will give me something like 30, maybe 40 real IC. Even if we add Russia's similar numbers to that, I won't match Japan.

All that aside, if I annexed Punjab I'd sure look mighty impressive on the map.

 

[Irsh Faq]

To be fair, the conversion was not kind to the Khanate.

Yes, yes, whyever could that be.

On a completely unrelated note, remember how much you enjoyed not subsidizing your factories all through v2 (and making jabs at the statists)?

That said, annexing Punjab will not exactly catapult me into the majors. If I take over and repair all their 100 base IC, that will give me something like 30, maybe 40 real IC.

As a minor game-mechanical note (this is an AOD change from Doomsday) partisans also affect base IC now (whether partisans from occupied territory or from dissent). So if you want to get even the 30-40 you will have to build and maintain garrisons in all of Punjab's IC-holding provinces - given that Punjab's IC is small and dispersed, IIRC, this is likely to cost you as much as you gain for some time.

It is only really profitable to conquer rich lands or core lands in AOD, which I believe was a game mechanics decision meant to encourage e.g. a victorious Soviet player to set up puppets instead of taking everything for himself.

So I might suggest that if you do indeed conquer Punjab puppeting them is likely significantly stronger, game-mechanic-wise, than annexing them.

 

[King of Men]

Yes, I had already reached that conclusion.

On a completely unrelated note, remember how much you enjoyed not subsidizing your factories all through v2 (and making jabs at the statists)?

I think annexing China and having three vast army rebellions in the last five years were more salient errors.

 

[unmerged(362573)]

All that aside, if I annexed Punjab I'd sure look mighty impressive on the map.

if that is your plan have fun fighting me all the way to my victory points on the Ethiopian border.

have fun with your transport capacity if that is the situation tho.

 

[Edzako]

As a minor game-mechanical note (this is an AOD change from Doomsday) partisans also affect base IC now (whether partisans from occupied territory or from dissent). So if you want to get even the 30-40 you will have to build and maintain garrisons in all of Punjab's IC-holding provinces - given that Punjab's IC is small and dispersed, IIRC, this is likely to cost you as much as you gain for some time.

IIRC, partisans reduced IC directly in DD too. But yes, I would like to see more smaller countries too. Mega blobs gets boring after while.

 

[Gollevainen]

yea... well hardly ever megacampaings resolve lots of small nations unless our two biggest choose voluntarily to explode into such... then again Im doing my best to help that happen

 

[oddman]

yea... well hardly ever megacampaings resolve lots of small nations unless our two biggest choose voluntarily to explode into such... then again Im doing my best to help that happen

Sure, sure. Suppose you succeed, where are you going to find the players for El Salvador, Panama, Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Cuba, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago, Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Surinam, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, Peru, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, England, Wales, Scotland, Iceland, Ireland, Denmark, Poland, Croatia, Serbia, Switzerland, Austria, Slovenia, Bosnia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and Czechoslovakia?

And that is leaving Germany with, you know, Germany proper - which would still probably be #1 in industry!

 

[King of Men]

if that is your plan have fun fighting me all the way to my victory points on the Ethiopian border.

have fun with your transport capacity if that is the situation tho.

Indeed you are right, although I note that this cuts both ways: Have fun fighting me to the industry and VPs on the Pacific coast, not to mention the TC. The Khanate is bigger and has even worse terrain than Punjab, which is a bit of an accomplishment.

However, all that aside, I stand by our exchange during the session:

Mark: So KoM, would you like to make peace on favourable terms?
KoM (whose nine armoured divisions just arrived at the front): Sure. I'll let you know what they are when I reach Samarkand.

I don't intend to annex you, supposing I win; considerations of IC aside, I'd like to keep your army intact. But the Punjab that emerges from a Khanate victory will be rather smaller than the current one.

Really though, now that Frunze has fallen you might as well surrender.