Female Succession in Republics

[Auphilia]

Can the developers please implement female succession in republics?

Basque and Cathar cultures wouldn't force male inheritance only. Also aside from historical accuracy, some players would like the option to have more freedom with their characters, even if it had to be modded in or by using console commands.

It isn't very fun to start as a female in a republic only to play the rest of the game as a male.

Perhaps everything would be balanced if Republics were accounting for every adult in the dynasty (not just males) and then dividing the benefits and costs by 2. So if you get an additional trade post for an adult male, and it costs more to maintain having an adult male...in this case it would be split in half. So you would need two adults (male/female) to be able to get another trade post and it would cost half as much to maintain them.

As for marriages, there are a few work-arounds.

1. All dynastic members have to be manually married and will not marry regularly or matrilinealy without the head of the dynasty's consent. (This would not fix NPC marriages, unless AI was added to make reasonable decisions).
2. As a female republic leader, you can change the laws to Enatic-Elective, which only allows females to inherit and basically everything is reversed and each female gains the benefits that males would, and males could be married off matrilineally to other dynasties without any conflicts.
3. If a dynastic member is married outside of the dynasty, they forfeit any chance of election. AI calculates the top 5 candidates for dynastic election and will never marry any of these individuals outside of the dynasty. All other dynastic members, regardless if male or female can be married off and lose chance for election.


Do you think any of this could work? And if not, would you be willing to consider implementing female succession in republics by other means?

Thank you.


I figured this should be added to the main post:

Incidentally, the exact mechanics of the bug regarding female succession in republics is as follows:

It is possible to mod in a Cognatic merchant republic. It will even work properly - most of the time. The problem is one major corner case: if the doge's dynastic heir is female, and she will not win the election to become the next doge.

In this case, and this case only, the doge's dynastic titles (the family palace, all trade posts, and any other titles held by the family, rather than the republic) will pass to whoever wins the election, not the correct heir. This is game over for the doge's dynasty. There is no problem if the dynastic heir is going to win the election, nor is there any problem if an ordinary patrician's dynastic heir is female. It is solely this one particular scenario, which unfortunately is common enough that it makes republics with female succession basically unplayable.

 

[TacticalRetreat]

So you complain about it being supposedly historically inaccuracte, because some small obscure culture and small obscure heresy wouldn't use male inheritance only... but your own brilliant solution is to implement some ridiculous misandrist ''enatic'' gender law that never even existed in history?

 

[Galle]

Honestly, the real problem here is that it doesn't work properly even when modded.

 

[Auphilia]

So you complain about it being supposedly historically inaccuracte, because some small obscure culture and small obscure heresy wouldn't use male inheritance only... but your own brilliant solution is to implement some ridiculous misandrist ''enatic'' gender law that never even existed in history?

Are you really that confused? Enatic succession is something that the game allows, regardless of its historical inaccuracy and some people appreciate that it is a possibility and can make things interesting in a campaign. If that is the only possible way to play females as a republic, I'd like the option.This was not my only suggestion, it is just one way I think it could be possible.

Did your confusion blind you from the sentence I typed directly after bringing up that it would be feasible for Basque or Cathar to implement cognatic succession? I said, "Also aside from historical accuracy, some players would like the option to have more freedom with their characters, even if it had to be modded in or by using console commands."

Anyways, if you don't have anything to contribute to this topic, please find something else to do.

 

[Carmilla]

I know I'd love to see some sort of absolute cognatic or a gender switched version of Patrician Elective where only women inherits instead for republics. Available only to the player and/or via modding.

 

[Thure]

Are you really that confused? Enatic succession is something that the game allows, regardless of its historical inaccuracy and some people appreciate that it is a possibility and can make things interesting in a campaign. If that is the only possible way to play females as a republic, I'd like the option.This was not my only suggestion, it is just one way I think it could be possible.

Ehhh... No. The game doesn't allow enatic succession. Just if you modded the game. I would like to have enatic republics moddable... but in the base game... no.

 

[AchedTeacher]

Honestly, the real problem here is that it doesn't work properly even when modded.

Yep. As long as we feed the devs things that need to become moddable, they keep working is how I see it.

 

[Serenissima]

+1 on allowing this to be modded, rather than locking republics even in mods to male-only.

 

[Galle]

Incidentally, the exact mechanics of the bug regarding female succession in republics is as follows:

It is possible to mod in a Cognatic merchant republic. It will even work properly - most of the time. The problem is one major corner case: if the doge's dynastic heir is female, and she will not win the election to become the next doge.

In this case, and this case only, the doge's dynastic titles (the family palace, all trade posts, and any other titles held by the family, rather than the republic) will pass to whoever wins the election, not the correct heir. This is game over for the doge's dynasty. There is no problem if the dynastic heir is going to win the election, nor is there any problem if an ordinary patrician's dynastic heir is female. It is solely this one particular scenario, which unfortunately is common enough that it makes republics with female succession basically unplayable.

 

[Ashagar]

Hmm while historically you had quite a number of female rulers who ruled in their own name and led their own armies into battle, all the patriciates of Europe were exclusively male club, women and Jews were not permitted to take part in the political process, a woman's husband could even enter the patriciate by marring a female member but she her self could not take part.

 

[Drake_Hound]

didn't games of Thrones solved it with modding succesion laws for Republic to be totally free ?
(sorry still haven't installed GOT latest version or reinstall it since the clean install and my own mods)

Even with the minor bug mentioned , in previous poster , it atleast gives the freedom.

I really hope Paradox would do something to fix this issue , like said both Basque and Cathar (Messalian) should have cognatic republic genderlaws . Even in the basic game .

Sorry all female rulers already have a disadvangetage in alot of cultures when they cannot take concubines or have multiple husbands . So punishing those 3 exceptions that are feminist in equality , doesn't seem justified at all .
So strongly suggest to see if possible to intergrate more equality in those 3 only !

 

[Galle]

didn't games of Thrones solved it with modding succesion laws for Republic to be totally free ?
(sorry still haven't installed GOT latest version or reinstall it since the clean install and my own mods)

Even with the minor bug mentioned , in previous poster , it atleast gives the freedom.

We abandoned the attempt. The bug is a complete showstopper.

 

[Drake_Hound]

We abandoned the attempt. The bug is a complete showstopper.

well the issue is b_dyncharid , can be passed onto another , but when you have a titular title , it connects up all the properties and houses , so it isn't the succession laws you guys did wrong .

It has to do with the titular titles created for the new succession laws.
Basically it has to be fixed , sadly not possible if you are going feudal and ad emperor titles (who has a tendency to make everything part of your dejure ! Outside even the fixed dejure overtime)

 

[Drake_Hound]

Maybe I should explain my assumption beter , the whole things you guys did isn't wrong at all . Infact it seems correct.

The bug is more vanille tied , or base game , with the way titular feudal titles work.
It simply makes it a real title , if you want to return the Trade post and B_dyn (houses)
You need to exempt those from the dejure when it all been passed on .

so what happens in my assumption is that it fires the basic script of giving everything tied with the title.
But doesn't have exemption of the mentioned dynamical generated landless barons and fixed trade post .
(trade post are sadly not tied to the houses , but free floating , so have to be exempt too)

so don't blaim yourself at all , cause what you guys did was marvelous enough.

 

[Drake_Hound]

Wait checking my savegame edits , the trade post are just charid tied that checks if that player is a republic .
(basically again connected to the cities , no cities no tradepost , the checksums then removes the tradepost , when the charid has no palaces Or blue ribbons Part of a republic )

So it is the heirachy of the one in charge or the winner needs to have a city always . The losing person needs it b_(dynasty house hold) or b_dyn_charid only . Guess order is really important of assigning the script like always in this game >.<

 

[TurtleShroom]

An Enatic succession (female-only Merchants) would be crazy weird and historically inaccurate, but I agree that Basques and Cathars would definitely be Absolute Cognatic.

If we were to allow female Patricians, we'd have to make it so that a female who is not married Matrileneally is completely excluded from inheritance. You could use the Muslim code so it says "Female Patricians cannot marry patrillineally!" or "Female Republican Family Heirs cannot marry patrillineally", or even "This female character is a member of a Republic Family! If you marry her patrilineally, she will be disqualified from succession" with the accompnaying "Cannot disqualify your Heir by marrying patrilineally!".

 

[Galle]

Er, why? Patrician succession is by seniority. There's no reason to disqualify patrilineally married women, and no reason to prohibit patrilineal marriages unless there's no men or matri-married women.