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Thankyou very much I'll change Kristina now.
Where there ever any Queens outside of Europe.
Where there ever any Queens outside of Europe.
I would advise against using the game as an historical resource as there are many inconsistancies. Ruler's names are in various languages and Paradox has played fast and loose with dates for game play purposes.
Still I did not know about Charlotte's Web until I played
Still I did not know about Charlotte's Web until I played
I ahve also learnt much about history by playing EUII.
I don't need to be too accurate for I am giving a talk on female leaders of yesteryear to some young girls at a high school next week. I want to avoid the usual ones like Elisabeth and Cleopatra. Perhaps you guys could tell me some funny quirks about some of those rulers I have posted at the top of this thread.
Thankyou
I don't need to be too accurate for I am giving a talk on female leaders of yesteryear to some young girls at a high school next week. I want to avoid the usual ones like Elisabeth and Cleopatra. Perhaps you guys could tell me some funny quirks about some of those rulers I have posted at the top of this thread.
Thankyou
Originally posted by Lady Europa
I'm sorry Alkar I didn't understand your post. you said she reigned until 1584, yet the code you posted says she reigned from 1417-1433. Which one is it dear?
I think that her reign is only supposed to be to 1433 but she reigns until 1584, cause that's when the next Friesan monarch comes.
Thats just plain weird. I suppose thats one of the inconsistancies (sp) of EUII. Perhaps if that sweet man Johan happens to see this thread he could change that for the next patch. Though it is hardly very important.
happens to see this thread he could change that for the next patch. Though it is hardly very important.
Other ruling English/British queens were
Mary II 1689-1702 Usually refered to as William and Mary. England wanted Mary but Willaim of Orange insisted on being co-ruler.
Anne 1702-14 had many children (13?) all of whom died. She was the last of the Stuarts and is sometimes said to have been a lesbian. She was certainly very fond of Sarah Churchill (duke of Marlbourgh's wife. Yes THAT Duke of Marlbourgh.).
Victoria 1837-1901 was just born in 1819 and infected half the royal families of Europe with haemophillia
My favourite is before your period.
Queen Matilda 1135-1147, usualy known as the Empress Maud. She used to be married to the Holy Roman Emperor but I assume the name Maud was a joke whose meaning is now lost.
You wont find her in the history books' list of Kings of England as she was beaten by Stephen in a civil war but she had the last laugh as her son was henry II.
Mary II 1689-1702 Usually refered to as William and Mary. England wanted Mary but Willaim of Orange insisted on being co-ruler.
Anne 1702-14 had many children (13?) all of whom died. She was the last of the Stuarts and is sometimes said to have been a lesbian. She was certainly very fond of Sarah Churchill (duke of Marlbourgh's wife. Yes THAT Duke of Marlbourgh.).
Victoria 1837-1901 was just born in 1819 and infected half the royal families of Europe with haemophillia
My favourite is before your period.
Queen Matilda 1135-1147, usualy known as the Empress Maud. She used to be married to the Holy Roman Emperor but I assume the name Maud was a joke whose meaning is now lost.
You wont find her in the history books' list of Kings of England as she was beaten by Stephen in a civil war but she had the last laugh as her son was henry II.
There's also:
Portugal
Maria I (1777-1816) (Her son João took up the reins in 1792 because she went mad)
If you can stand auto-translation or know portuguese, try this for some info: http://www.arqnet.pt/dicionario/maria1.html
Portugal
Maria I (1777-1816) (Her son João took up the reins in 1792 because she went mad)
If you can stand auto-translation or know portuguese, try this for some info: http://www.arqnet.pt/dicionario/maria1.html
Rulers
This is just a very small list with some facts about some rulers that were women.
Do they have to be queens? What about soveriegn countess or duchess?
Malika Tindu of the Jallarid Dynasty (Iraq) She ruled sometime during the 15th century, and had the khubta - Friday's prayers - preached in her name.
Queen Regnant Kukhiloko of Oahu (Hawai'i) The 11th Alii Aimoku of Oahu. She was succeeded by Queen Kalaimanuia, who reigned sometime in the 16th century at a not known time.
Queen Daroh Nanti of Sangau (Indonesia) She was princess of Majapahit and founded the state in Borneo. (time 15th century)
1406-18 Regent Dowager Queen Catalina de Lancaster of Castilla (Spain) Widow of Enrique III (1379-90-1406) she was joint regent with Fernando de Antequera for son, Juan II (1405-06-54).
1411-19 Governor and Sultan Tandu of Baghdad (Iraq) Also known as Tindu, she belonged to the Jalarid Dynasty, a branch of the Ilkhan Mongol rulers, and daughter of king Awis. She was first married to al-Zahir Barquq, the last Mamluk king of Egypt. She did not like life in Cairo and her husband let her go back to Baghdad, where she married her cousin Shah Walad bin Ali, the Governor for the Caliph, and after his death she acceded to the throne, had coins stuck in her name and the khutba (sovereign's prayer) proclaimed in her name in the mosques. She was one of the last Mongol rulers in the area.
1414-35 Queen Regnant Giovanna II d'Anjou of Napoli (Italy) and Titular Queen of Jerusalem, Cyprus and Armenia She succeeded her brother, and two years later, her second husband, Jean de Bourbon, was imprisoned after trying to seize power. She adopted Alfonso V of Aragon as her heir in 1421. After he tried to take over power in 1423, she transferred the adoption to another relative; Louis III d'Anjou, who she had expelled in 1420 for trying to seize power. After Louis' death in 1434, his brother, Rene was appointed heir, but Alfonso took power after her death.
This is just a very small list with some facts about some rulers that were women.
Do they have to be queens? What about soveriegn countess or duchess?
Malika Tindu of the Jallarid Dynasty (Iraq) She ruled sometime during the 15th century, and had the khubta - Friday's prayers - preached in her name.
Queen Regnant Kukhiloko of Oahu (Hawai'i) The 11th Alii Aimoku of Oahu. She was succeeded by Queen Kalaimanuia, who reigned sometime in the 16th century at a not known time.
Queen Daroh Nanti of Sangau (Indonesia) She was princess of Majapahit and founded the state in Borneo. (time 15th century)
1406-18 Regent Dowager Queen Catalina de Lancaster of Castilla (Spain) Widow of Enrique III (1379-90-1406) she was joint regent with Fernando de Antequera for son, Juan II (1405-06-54).
1411-19 Governor and Sultan Tandu of Baghdad (Iraq) Also known as Tindu, she belonged to the Jalarid Dynasty, a branch of the Ilkhan Mongol rulers, and daughter of king Awis. She was first married to al-Zahir Barquq, the last Mamluk king of Egypt. She did not like life in Cairo and her husband let her go back to Baghdad, where she married her cousin Shah Walad bin Ali, the Governor for the Caliph, and after his death she acceded to the throne, had coins stuck in her name and the khutba (sovereign's prayer) proclaimed in her name in the mosques. She was one of the last Mongol rulers in the area.
1414-35 Queen Regnant Giovanna II d'Anjou of Napoli (Italy) and Titular Queen of Jerusalem, Cyprus and Armenia She succeeded her brother, and two years later, her second husband, Jean de Bourbon, was imprisoned after trying to seize power. She adopted Alfonso V of Aragon as her heir in 1421. After he tried to take over power in 1423, she transferred the adoption to another relative; Louis III d'Anjou, who she had expelled in 1420 for trying to seize power. After Louis' death in 1434, his brother, Rene was appointed heir, but Alfonso took power after her death.
Jacqueline de Baviere (or actually Jacoba van Beieren) was also not so much duchess of Friesen but countess of Holland and Hainaut (though counts of Holland were in theory together with iirc bisshops of Utrecht superiors in Friesland, in practice they had nothing to say there so the reason to make her ruler there is rather unsound imo.). Her low stats in the game don`t do her much justice anyway. She was ambitious and had to strive against powerfull dukes who did not take her seriously as ruler. She lost many times but managed to come back frequently to power somewhere and try to withstand the Burgundians over and over again and iirc till her death kept her demands for her now lost counties. An interesting personality imo.
There is btw a good series of sites about female rulers, more that you will find in EU. There is also a fair amount of female rulers outside of Europe, though most that I know are from the period before 1419.
One that springs into mind is queen Tamar of Georgia in Caucasus (1184-1213), one of the greatest rulers of that country in its whole history iirc.
Looked also in my lists fro rulers outside Europe for the period before 1419. Not many remarkable one's though. Intriguing seems the fact that buddhist countries seldom (or never) had female rulers. Neither I see any female rulers for Japan or China. Otoh hindu and islamitic (especially non-arabic) countries do have some more women in power.
Bali had a few queens in medieval times, though not many info on these but names.
(Sri) Lanka had a queen Lilavati who ruled 3 times for short periods between 1197-1210 though mostly as puppet of various fighting generals.
Orqina Khatun was queen or regentess in the CHagatai Horde between 1252-1260. Not much info on her either.
The earlier mentionned Georgia had also another queen - Rusudan (1222-1245). She was not such a successfull ruler as her (iirc) aunt Tamar. She faced also the Mongol attacks during her reign. I read somewhere that she actually led the troops directly herself during the wars against Mongols, without much success though.
There is a queen Rudram (1266-1291) of the Kakatyias of Warangal in central India. She was tributary to Delhi and during the days of her reign the country fell actually in fast decline, though I don`t know the cause.
Then there is Töregene who was regentess and in fact ruler of the Mongol Empire 1242-46 between the death of her husband Ogedei and ascesion of her son Guyuk. She had probably enough influence to ensure that it was her son and not one of her ambitious nephews who assumed the Mongol "throne" (though Guyuk's 3-years long reign was not really that successfull).
The Javan kingdom of Majapahit had one well-known queen - Tribhuvana (1328-1350) in whoes days Majapahit was on the top of its power, though that mostly to her decision to give all the actual power to the very able minister Gaja Mada. Normally it is assumed that her actual role in governing (as also of her direct male successors till the death of Gaja Mada) was rather small.
Geneally there are more female rulers in especially smaller Indian and Indonesian states to be found. Most you won't find much info on though (usually neither on their male counterparts).
There is btw a good series of sites about female rulers, more that you will find in EU. There is also a fair amount of female rulers outside of Europe, though most that I know are from the period before 1419.
One that springs into mind is queen Tamar of Georgia in Caucasus (1184-1213), one of the greatest rulers of that country in its whole history iirc.
Looked also in my lists fro rulers outside Europe for the period before 1419. Not many remarkable one's though. Intriguing seems the fact that buddhist countries seldom (or never) had female rulers. Neither I see any female rulers for Japan or China. Otoh hindu and islamitic (especially non-arabic) countries do have some more women in power.
Bali had a few queens in medieval times, though not many info on these but names.
(Sri) Lanka had a queen Lilavati who ruled 3 times for short periods between 1197-1210 though mostly as puppet of various fighting generals.
Orqina Khatun was queen or regentess in the CHagatai Horde between 1252-1260. Not much info on her either.
The earlier mentionned Georgia had also another queen - Rusudan (1222-1245). She was not such a successfull ruler as her (iirc) aunt Tamar. She faced also the Mongol attacks during her reign. I read somewhere that she actually led the troops directly herself during the wars against Mongols, without much success though.
There is a queen Rudram (1266-1291) of the Kakatyias of Warangal in central India. She was tributary to Delhi and during the days of her reign the country fell actually in fast decline, though I don`t know the cause.
Then there is Töregene who was regentess and in fact ruler of the Mongol Empire 1242-46 between the death of her husband Ogedei and ascesion of her son Guyuk. She had probably enough influence to ensure that it was her son and not one of her ambitious nephews who assumed the Mongol "throne" (though Guyuk's 3-years long reign was not really that successfull).
The Javan kingdom of Majapahit had one well-known queen - Tribhuvana (1328-1350) in whoes days Majapahit was on the top of its power, though that mostly to her decision to give all the actual power to the very able minister Gaja Mada. Normally it is assumed that her actual role in governing (as also of her direct male successors till the death of Gaja Mada) was rather small.
Geneally there are more female rulers in especially smaller Indian and Indonesian states to be found. Most you won't find much info on though (usually neither on their male counterparts).
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Lucrezia Borgia is worth considering. Pope's daughter, duchess and all that... Roughly 1490-1507, thereabouts.
Roughly 1490-1507, thereabouts.
There was also a Queen (I can't spell her name) in Hawaii in the 1880's or so, just before it became a republic (she was overthrown by American sugar-plantation owners, who set up a republic and a few years later got Hawaii annexed by the USA). Also, the Last Emperor of China came to the throne as a small boy, and his mother ruled as a regent for several years, I believe... that would be around 1890-1900ish.
Also, I don't know how far back in history you want to go, but there's a lot of queens and ruling ladies in the 20th century as well... Queen Elizabeth II of England (who just last month, I think, had the 50th anniversary of her coronation), Princess Grace of Monaco (who was married to the ruling Prince of that tiny country), etc.
There's also some suspiscion that Eleanor Roosevelt might have been running things behind the scenes, at least to a certain extent. I personally think Abigail Adams might have been too; I've read a lot of books on John Adams and he sounds like he was rather sickly to me, though I've never seen that explicitly stated.
Also, I don't know how far back in history you want to go, but there's a lot of queens and ruling ladies in the 20th century as well... Queen Elizabeth II of England (who just last month, I think, had the 50th anniversary of her coronation), Princess Grace of Monaco (who was married to the ruling Prince of that tiny country), etc.
There's also some suspiscion that Eleanor Roosevelt might have been running things behind the scenes, at least to a certain extent. I personally think Abigail Adams might have been too; I've read a lot of books on John Adams and he sounds like he was rather sickly to me, though I've never seen that explicitly stated.
ah, and I meant this site which gives some nice lists of female rulers over the whole history with short descriptions and images I gather.
Originally posted by Szuja
Lucrezia Borgia is worth considering. Pope's daughter, duchess and all that...
What an interesting girl too.
Rumored to sleep with her father the pope, her brother, and other relatives both men and women.
The historian Potigliotti suggests that Lucrezia insisted on the two papal bulls for her first child because she didn't know which of her two lovers, her father or her brother, had actually fathered the child.
After giving birth to her fifth child while in Ferrara, who died shortly after being born, Lucrezia contracted puerperal fever, and died on June 24, 1519. She was not quite thirty-nine years old.
As for women ruling as president. It was widely known that Woodrow Wilson after having a massive stroke was widely known to be incapacitated. For the rest of his term in maybe the biggest constitutional violation, his wife ran his administration (instead of the vice president).
Queen Kristina of Sweden hired Descartes as a tutor of sorts and her requirement that they meet before dawn (because she was so busy) on cold swedish mornings gave him a case of pnuemonia that killed him...before going to sweden it was his standing policy to never get up earlier noon
Here's a good site about Queen Kristina Wasa of Sweden:
http://www.windweaver.com/christina/intro.htm