Unfortunate, although I'm a little confused how he imprisoned his son. Since he was married to someone of the same level. I'm guessing kidnapped, but that wasn't what was described. It doesn't quite add up.
Female duke and lover will not marry me
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It would probably be easier if they just got rid of dumb things like this that make it impossible for a high opinion lover of the same rank to refuse to marry you
Imagine if Isabella refused to marry Ferdinand because "but the independence of my realm!"
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Wasn't this more or less what happened to Mary, Queen of Scots? And what about Matilda of Flanders, Queen of England?
Mary, Queen of Scots:
1. Not Middle Ages
2. Protestants (yes this makes a difference)
Matilda of Flanders, Queen of England:
There are legends she refused the marriage and was raped. But this don't seem to have any base. But this marriage was firstly illegal from Papal site because of consanguinity... just William didn't care.
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yes -- its "visit" chambers and the person and their family go -100 but it is possible to father bastards with prisoners.
What some people are missing in my comment is that concubines only work with some cultures. But it allows you to marry prisoners and the kidnap function is fun. Really adds to the intrigue focus. The feature allows feudal characters to deal with prisoners much like they were courtiers
Minor nitpick but I believe you mean governments*. Anyone can raid so long as they are tribal. There maybe be further qualifiers or eligibility checks if you will but being tribal takes precedence afaik.
I just noticed you were talking about concubinage in specific, whoops. Well I think any tribal ruler also can take concubines but I'm not sure about that one.
Right. I thought that was pretty clear already. Considering the quoted part of what I commented on and all.
Not quite true. Muslim tribes get polygamy instead.
Concubinage is also available by religion: you must be pagan (including reformed), Mazdan (Zoroastrian or heresy), or Dharmic (Indian)
I've never actually played a tribal muslim so I figured that was a feature of the Iqta government type. The more you know I guess
From what I recall there's also a story that says that when a certain duke of Aquitaine was dying, during a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, he asked a fellow pilgrim to take the journey back to Bordeux for him under disguise carrying knews of his death, but that he (or she) should ONLY inform the chaplain, for the duke feared that after knowing his daughters were fatherless, someone would kidnap and impose a marriage to his eldest daughter, Aliénor (who would later became the famous Eleanor of Aquitaine, queen of England). The bishop -is said- took the heiress to a monastery and sent a letter to the king of France, asking him to put them under his protection before bringing the news to the rest of the court. It sort of worked out, sort of backfired. But that's another story.
That, however, may have less to do with a forced marriage not being contestable and more to do with the fact that at the time Aliénor simply had no relative in France her father could be sure would contest said marriage if it happened, so she was a really tempting prize. The house of Poitou was heavily comprised of women married off long ago, distant cousins who were known for taking bribes and the diseased duke's bastard half-brother, who was far away on the Holy Land.
To be honest, her relatives would probably be more likely to try taking her lands to themselves than to defend her, so that may have being his real concern and the protection from kidnapping could have being just a better story (and a safer one to tell around, since it doesn't incur in dangerous acusations).
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