Then again, with that anti-pope you just eroded the authority of your religion. Which will lead to lots of fun heresy to start popping up.
Female Anti-Pope?!
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While this breaks from the fact the children were technically illegitimate it still bears some importance to the argument.
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a notably long affair with Vannozza dei Cattanei before his papacy, by whom he had his famous illegitimate children Cesare and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of Alessandro Farnese, who later became Pope Paul III. Alexander fathered a total of at least seven, and possibly as many as ten illegitimate children.[41]^ "''The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church'': Rodrigo Borja". Fiu.edu. Retrieved 2011-10-18.
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The reason he is particularly interesting was that his illegitimate son Cesera became a Cardinal and Duke of Valentinois. While this is an unusual case, it still shows that even if celibacy is the rule, it can and will still be broken by cardinals (as he was at the time) and that the children can still inherit and rise to power.
First time that happened to me I wasn't paying attention. Slowly I noticed more and more revolts in Toulouse, and was wondering why. I clicked on a few counties, paused, looked at the religion map, cried.
In theory though, since, I think, successful crusades build up authority, you could just crusade a lot, building up authority. Which you can easily afford since you are rolling in money.
Seluko,
Right, but nobody has disputed the existence of bastards, mistresses, concubines, etc.
I asked specifically for marriage and, more importantly, legitimate children post-holy orders. I do not know of a single example. The game models bastards-and I have zero objection to clerics having them-but that is not the same as heirs who can even be pretenders to the Papacy.
And I don't know why folks have such difficulty distinguishing between ecclesiastical and secular possessions. Some bishops and popes, and their families, looked after bastards. When they did, they secured properties for them, like other scions of their houses.
They did not, however, secure properties by direct, formal inheritance of ecclesiastical sees.
Right, but nobody has disputed the existence of bastards, mistresses, concubines, etc.
I asked specifically for marriage and, more importantly, legitimate children post-holy orders. I do not know of a single example. The game models bastards-and I have zero objection to clerics having them-but that is not the same as heirs who can even be pretenders to the Papacy.
And I don't know why folks have such difficulty distinguishing between ecclesiastical and secular possessions. Some bishops and popes, and their families, looked after bastards. When they did, they secured properties for them, like other scions of their houses.
They did not, however, secure properties by direct, formal inheritance of ecclesiastical sees.
Antipopes cant do everything a Pope can do though. And their very existence cause constant heresy throughout Christendom. Its designed to NOT be a white-and-black matter and it's definitely not.
