Federation Fleet... problem?

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I will start with a bit of context.
After many years struggling with the diplomacy i manage to form a nice federation. 3 big empires (including myself) and 2 smaller ones.

I started as president and dessigned a powerfull fleet. Varios battleships models, escort cruisers and corvetes. 10 battleships in total, and cruisers and corvettes up to 18k power (relative small, considering that it was 130 or 140 years into the game). And i spend a lot of minerals and time in my period as president building that fleet.

Then the presidency passed to another of the big empires, and aside from splitting the fleet in 2 (that immediately destroyed my plans, since the idea was to keep the federation fleet bigger than my owns individual fleets so the AI was able to fight wars on their own following the common fleet... well you understand). Aside from that, not a big problem.

But the next president was one of the "small" empires.
After one month in command of the fleet, they just disbanded it. No warning, nothing, just gone. Almost 5 years of work from my empire gone.

Now, to the purpose of this thread.

I assume that the AI Empire was unable to sustain the fleet upkeep and decided to dismantle it, afther just one month. But he did not tried to trade for energy/minerals with the others to pay for the fleet or noting similar.

So, Will this always happen when AI take command of the federation fleets?

Someone had this same problem?

Do you think that federations realy need some kind of "tribute system", like a montly discount (10-20%) of minerals/energy to pay for the federation fleet (as long as there is one present and the president can't pay for the fleet alone?

Could an "optional" vote system in singleplayer for federations be of help?

Is this just a feature that was only planned for multiplayer? (since the AI aparently can't handle it completely, at least the common fleet part).

As always, any constructive answer is appreciated :)
 
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The Federation fleet's upkeep should be split between the members, to avoid that issue.

For example, if there are 4 members, each should pay 25 % of the upkeep.

If that is still too much for them to bear (if the empire is really small), they sould be scripted to ask the other members for financial help.
 
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It does kinda defeat the point of a federal navy if it must be scaled to the economy of the poorest member. Some kinda of cost sharing for the federal navy really should be introduced.
 
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This is something we're looking to rework with shared costs. Possibly in 1.2.
 
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This is something we're looking to rework with shared costs. Possibly in 1.2.
OK, so just to confirm, we should refrain from having Federations with AI members or poor members until a future patch?
 
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What if every member will pay % of his income for federation budget? Exact % value should be changed via voting.
Yeah, Federal politics need to be vastly improved.

At the moment, there is no real point being in a federation.

OK, so just to confirm, we should refrain from having Federations with AI members or poor members until a future patch?
I think we should probably refrain from being in a Federation at all, for the time being...
 
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At the moment, there is no real point being in a federation.
There is a point: technology availability for federation fleet, and with federation we don't need to spend influence points for alliance . It works fine in multiplayer, the only problem is that AI is too stupid.
 

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There is a point: technology availability for federation fleet, and with federation we don't need to spend influence points for alliance . It works fine in multiplayer, the only problem is that AI is too stupid.
That's my point.
The Federation mechanic is a great idea in theory, but the AI is too dumb to make correct use of it, making it useless in practice.
 
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Until they've implemented the shared cost, I guess you could just keep an eye on the chairmanship of the federation and as soon as it goes to a smaller/poorer member give them a monthly donation of energy credits through a trade deal for 10 years.
 
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I haven't had that problem yet, but I did encounter a problem that's just as bad: if you try to upgrade your federation fleet, it will upgrade the ships to your ship designs not the federation ship designs.

Which is a pain as you now have to get rid of all of those ships!
 
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Federations are not bad if you are aiming for relatively peacful game. But if you want freedom to declare wars, then stay away.
The problem is that in its current state, the game has no interesting feature that would make peace time interesting to play.

Most of the fun of the game is war, unfortunately for federations...
 

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I assume that the AI Empire was unable to sustain the fleet upkeep and decided to dismantle it, afther just one month. But he did not tried to trade for energy/minerals with the others to pay for the fleet or noting similar.
You are sure the IA dismantle ? Because if he try to update the fleet, the fleet become his fleet.

I know you are probable right at 90%, but if you have a buggy system, dont try to improve the IA. The dev should focus on fix the bugs of federation fleet. I hope this bug will be fix it the 1.1. After, for 1.2, we can talk about your idea. Split the upkeep, improve IA, news rules. But before ... almost useless.
 

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This is just so weird.
I've only been in one Federation so far and nothing changed about my fleet. Why is that? We all had our own fleets, controlled our own stuff.
 

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This is just so weird.
I've only been in one Federation so far and nothing changed about my fleet. Why is that? We all had our own fleets, controlled our own stuff.
The federal navy is a separate navy that you actually have to build. When your are president and you open up the federation screen there will be a button called Federation Ship Designer. That will allow you to design ships using tech from all the federation members but you still actually need to build them at your spaceports. Any ships you build that use a federation ship design will then be handed over to whoever is the next president when your term ends. The problem here is it's likely that whoever is the next president wont actually be able to afford the ships you've built and will just disband them.
 
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The loss of diplomatic control associated with being in a Federation is terrible and I do not understand why meatbags ever join them :)