Feature Stream Evaluation

[Lordy's]

So now that we've seen the first bits of gameplay, what do you think of it?
I made some notes while watching and encountered a few things that I found weird:

• Why does your mother want to leave the court if you don't press her claim? There should probably be a special condition in the script to prevent your mother (and other very close relatives) to become a wanderer.
• There is no button to quickly grant a county to the top ranked character without entering the menu.
• Why are the members of the HRE leaving when they have such low level contracts? Shouldn't they be fine with being a vassal since they pay almost nothing? They should rebel if their concracts are bad, not if they are good!
• It became pretty clear that a promise feature would be great. First of all, when they wanted their special characters in their court, they could have promised them to give them a county if they come. Also they said something like: "Can we invite they guy we want to be an agent an give him land?" Here a promise system would also allow them to do things like that. On this note, giving their family land should also increase their opinion of you (give land to his son -> he likes you -> he joins your plot -> profit)
• Still literally no one has any moral qualms with murdering a child? Well I guess it's CK.
• Not 100% sure about that but the Faliero succession seemed not intended. Just because they have the same mother, it shouldn't go to him since the mother never hold the title herself. But maybe I just missed something. Also, is there a "title history"? (EDIT: Title history is in, they just didn't look at it, EDIT2: Confirmed to be a bug will be fixed after release).
• AI is embarking troops for no reason in their war against galicia. That's weird because it's supposed to be expensive to do that, right? To fix that it might be enough add some number to the edge weights from land to sea for pathfinding to make armies try to avoid embarking if they don't have to.
• Only 1h?

What's your opinion? Any other things you noticed?

EDIT: If you have no idea which stream everyone is talking about, here you go: Stream

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

If the main founding family still have living members, why would the dynast title be held by a cadet branch? I have trouble with that.

Also fabricating a hook seems a bit overpowered. Should a fake hook be less powerful than a real hook? Like 2 to 1 ratio.

*Sister belly swollen*
*Dev and PR stare in silence*
PR: That's bad. You should break up with her.
Dev: I uh... There's a way for sure. I'll uh.. I'll do it after this scheme.
*Sister belly swollen again*
PR: You gotta stop sleeping with your sister and lay with your wife, you have no heir!
Dev: *Prentending to be looking into it* huh couldn't find the option. But I'm sure it's there. Oh hey look what's that?

We all know he enjoyed it.

 

[Xain]

What? Has there been a live stream? When? Where? Were can it be rewatched?

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

What? Has there been a live stream? When? Where? Were can it be rewatched?

Here

 

[Nikolai]

My main take away was "this is so very CK" and I laughed a lot.

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

My main take away was "this is so very CK" and I laughed a lot.

• Incest
• Kinslayer
• Bastards + cuckolding
• Cheating
• Infanticide

This stream is cursed 10 minutes in.

 

[junassa]

I only caught the last 10 min or so of the stream. I'm a bit taken aback how quickly "incestuous wingsister" became a thing.

I hope we get a stream of that guy's (forgot his name) favorite religion. Maybe he can even reform it during a stream.

Combat looks to be really streamlined. Not sure how I feel about that. Early game looks like whoever has the most knights wins, there's no flanks and so probably no tactics. I don't remember reading the dev diary on combat so I'll have to revisit that.

 

[vyshan]

I only caught the last 10 min or so of the stream. I'm a bit taken aback how quickly "incestuous wingsister" became a thing.

I hope we get a stream of that guy's (forgot his name) favorite religion. Maybe he can even reform it during a stream.

Combat looks to be really streamlined. Not sure how I feel about that. Early game looks like whoever has the most knights wins, there's no flanks and so probably no tactics. I don't remember reading the dev diary on combat so I'll have to revisit that.

Bidaism. Its tenets are adaptive, Ancestor Worship, and Human Sacrifice.

 

[Cronus865]

Things I noticed:

-Ruler designer soon after launch.

-There's a really cool new war screen for every war going on (external wars as well).

-The new hook system looks amazing in action.

-It seems like there's a healthy amount of events that feel really unique to your character. The Urraca events that kept happening were really funny.

-The victory screen after a war now gives you stats that happened throughout the battle and events that happened like if someone important was killed. I wasn't keen on the new warfare system after I saw the first dev diary for it (no more tactics, flanks, morale, etc.), but it actually still looks solid.

-In the pause menu, it looks like there's an "open to multiplayer" option, maybe to open multiplayer to your current game at that time.

-It seems like they didn't cut back on historical characters, even minor ones, the game is still completely full of characters and also dynasty trees have history still, so you can see how far back a dynasty goes.

 

[y8r4G0xz3fFkXdGXyJ4V]

Loved it, hype is maxed out right now.

One thing I was confused by though. When granting that county there was the popup list of potential candidates - it was mentioned that they were sorted with the best candidates at the top, but it didn't look like the UI explained why. It would be nice to know why the game thought they were the best.

 

[SirPenetrator]

I found it very interesting and fun/entertaining. The hour was over way too fast though... The best part was when the sister tried to hook him up with the bartender even though he sleeps with the sister lol.
I'm really looking forward to the game, I'm pretty hyped looking forward to the next stream next week.

What's confusing me a bit is that in the game itself there is the phrase "Deus Vult" but we're not allowed to use them in the Discord server, not even in form of pictures of events. We're also not even allowed to use Pepe The Frog as emotes...

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

I found it very interesting and fun/entertaining. The hour was over way too fast though...

You see, this is my fear as well. What the heck! That hour just disappeared! My sleep schedule is in serious trouble.

We took an hour to unify Spain but it doesn't feel like it. We barely finish like 3 schemes, fought one war and that's it.

 

[I_am_Nemo]

The best part was when the sister tried to hook him up with the bartender even though he sleeps with the sister lol.

As funny as it is, I'm guessing that was an event that fired b/c she was his spymaster, with the game not taking any other relationships into account. Should maybe be changed for the sake of rp/immersion, before you have people's spouse who is also their spymaster helping them hook up with somebody and then getting mad at them for adultery when it's found out.

 

[SirPenetrator]

You see, this is my fear as well. What the heck! That hour just disappeared! My sleep schedule is in serious trouble.

We took an hour to unify Spain but it doesn't feel like it. We barely finish like 3 schemes, fought one war and that's it.

That is why I'll be rewatching the stream today again, and tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow and then switching to youtube videos picking apart the stream, and so on

 

[Nikolai]

I do wonder, was the incestous relationship an event, historical or a setup from Paradox to make for such a fun stream?

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

I do wonder, was the incestous relationship an event, historical or a setup from Paradox to make for such a fun stream?

Yeah me too. They was surprised to see her belly, and there was no indication beforehand, so is it hard-coded at game start? Is it even historically correct?

 

[SuperBearNut]

The galicia succession seems to be bit weird. If I understand correctly the law was agnatic-cognatic partition (gavelkind).

King Garcia's heir was his nephew, the son of his eldest dead brother, named Sancho i think -> That is OK
Sancho's heir was at first his mother, who remarried and had another son who became the new heir (since agnatic congnatic) -> This seems to be wrong since the heir should have been his uncle Alfonso (aka the player), not his mother, who should have never been heir.



Regarding the sister-lover-wingman event, for moment there I thought she was proposing threesome

 

[Arkangelus]

Wrt the succession: was it his own cuckold incest baby with his sister that inherited Galicia? Things got a little confused there, sister's son inheriting even briefly seemed to take the succession right out of the dynasty.

 

[Lordy's]

Yeah me too. They was surprised to see her belly, and there was no indication beforehand, so is it hard-coded at game start? Is it even historically correct?

It seems like it is set-up in the history files like that.

The galicia succession seems to be bit weird. If I understand correctly the law was agnatic-cognatic partition (gavelkind).

King Garcia's heir was his nephew, the son of his eldest dead brother, named Sancho i think -> That is OK
Sancho's heir was at first his mother, who remarried and had another son who became the new heir (since agnatic congnatic) -> This seems to be wrong since the heir should have been his uncle Alfonso (aka the player), not his mother, who should have never been heir.

That could be what happened. In that case it was clearly bugged.

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

Wrt the succession: was it his own cuckold incest baby with his sister that inherited Galicia? Things got a little confused there, sister's son inheriting even briefly seemed to take the succession right out of the dynasty.

No it's not. His brother married a woman and have a son, then died, this woman remarried and have another son. Somehow when the older son (which is the heir of his brother, in same dynasty) died the younger (not related to him, different dynasty) inherited the tittle. This should be a bug.