favours help

[Fishman786]

Hi. I don't quite understand the favour system. Councillors keep using favours to make me change laws that I spent ages trying to introduce. I purge my council, replace everyone with new guys and vote in a law, then the council changes it right back. I don't get how I'm supposed to avoid owing favours to people, there are no tooltips that explain which actions grant favours.

 

[ThatDaniel]

Are you asking them to vote the same as you? That causes you to owe a favour to them. To stop it buy a favour from them then tell them to vote as you do.

 

[Fishman786]

Are you asking them to vote the same as you? That causes you to owe a favour to them. To stop it buy a favour from them then tell them to vote as you do.

Not sure. What I did was I removed the vassals from the council and replaced them with people who liked me (in order to vote for the law) and then later I put the vassals back to placate them. Maybe I owed one of the old vassals a favour but that's not really well-signposted.

I'm playing William the Conqueror btw. Any advice for the initial invasion? Most of the council problems come from trying to displace the powerful native lords who hate me. And with the large garrisons everywhere it's not really possible to siege every holding.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

DO you mean William 15 September / 26 December start?

If he got 'The Conqueror' nickname, I assume you probably in the 26 Dec start so...

1st of all you got tons of money, use it to create Duchies title and put loyal Norman Dukes in your council.

Notable Dukes that can be created quickly is :

1. Give away Marsan to your 1st son Robert, along with the d_of Normandy.
2. D_of Kent and give it to your half brother.
3. D_of West Anglia and give it to Norman Count.
4. Hwicce to 1 of the Count that hold 2 counties.

Once that done, put them all in the Council (except Robert of course since he is still minor). Now your Anglo-Saxon duke that left is Duke Leicester and Duke of York, they will resent you especially Duke of Leicester since 90& of his de-jure count is under you. DO NOT transfer vassal to Duke of Leicester or giving them any county, but instead start revoking their county which can be done easily since you're surrounded by loyal Norman Dukes. If their rebel then good, you can strip another title afterwards since they are traitor. After that "little housekeeping" playing as William should be easy peasy. I tested it myself, and no trouble so far (40 years in-game, they stay quiet even when succession came, when the Lame Robert succeeded William).

About favor, 1 trick that can be done is buy favour cheaply to your target Count, give him duchy title, then put him in your Council. He will follow you obediently. Although I rarely buy favour since they are loyal to me, and 1 Duke that somewhat inclined to reject, owed me a favor since I resolved his problem with his wife

 

[Fishman786]

DO you mean William 15 September / 26 December start?

If he got 'The Conqueror' nickname, I assume you probably in the 26 Dec start so...

1st of all you got tons of money, use it to create Duchies title and put loyal Norman Dukes in your council.

Notable Dukes that can be created quickly is :

1. Give away Marsan to your 1st son Robert, along with the d_of Normandy.
2. D_of Kent and give it to your half brother.
3. D_of West Anglia and give it to Norman Count.
4. Hwicce to 1 of the Count that hold 2 counties.

Once that done, put them all in the Council (except Robert of course since he is still minor). Now your Anglo-Saxon duke that left is Duke Leicester and Duke of York, they will resent you especially Duke of Leicester since 90& of his de-jure count is under you. DO NOT transfer vassal to Duke of Leicester or giving them any county, but instead start revoking their county which can be done easily since you're surrounded by loyal Norman Dukes. If their rebel then good, you can strip another title afterwards since they are traitor. After that "little housekeeping" playing as William should be easy peasy. I tested it myself, and no trouble so far (40 years in-game, they stay quiet even when succession came, when the Lame Robert succeeded William).

About favor, 1 trick that can be done is buy favour cheaply to your target Count, give him duchy title, then put him in your Council. He will follow you obediently. Although I rarely buy favour since they are loyal to me, and 1 Duke that somewhat inclined to reject, owed me a favor since I resolved his problem with his wife

Oh no I'm playing the Stamford Bridge start and I've already conquered. Just wondering for next time how to deal with the English lords.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

Oh that change the scope then.

But its basically the same though you need to be more patient.

As long as you got Empowered Council and War Commitee, Councillor can' rebel, so start putting your biggest Anglo-Saxon vassals to the Council, especially the Duke of Mercia since he is practically own 1/3 of England teritories. And then start transferring vassalage from 1 count to NON de-jure Dukes, the reason being is the related Duke with de-jure vassalage rights will HATE the other Duke that just been transferred the vassalage.

This can cause civil war, but not to worry you just need to watch and wait as they act dumb and attacking other Duker for De-Jure War, now sit back, relax and enjoy those stupid Anglo-Saxon headbutting each other while you are shielded by Council mechanic

Devide et Impera at its finest

 

[Karlingid]

It's spelled "Hedgehog", by the way. Not "Favour"