Burgundy.
no matter how big and strong they get, they always lose it all for french in the annoying inheritance event.
no matter how big and strong they get, they always lose it all for french in the annoying inheritance event.
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Well actually I saw Burgundy survive the 1477 inheritance event and do quite well. I don't know why they didn't disappear.
I never played Burgundy myself, but maybe that maybe someone who did play them can tell us.
I never played Burgundy myself, but maybe that maybe someone who did play them can tell us.
I get knocked down, I get up again
Most doggy underdog I've played for more than 20 minutes: Duchy of Athens.
Most doggy, most under, most hopeless AI case - Brittany. They always seem to get squashed early on; then they revolt from whoever owns them but they always go under again, revolt again, etc etc. The Cool Hand Luke of Europe ...
Most doggy underdog I've played for more than 20 minutes: Duchy of Athens.
Most doggy, most under, most hopeless AI case - Brittany. They always seem to get squashed early on; then they revolt from whoever owns them but they always go under again, revolt again, etc etc. The Cool Hand Luke of Europe ...
SHHHHH! Don't say it that loud! Brittons could be hearing and believe me, you wouldn't want to piss them off! They're very stubborn.
Yet I don't agree with you. They can easily gain a few provs during the first England/France war by attacking French allies such as Bourbonnais, Provence of Auvergne, and then annex Vendée to have a nice chunk of France that give them enough power to destroy France.
Yet I don't agree with you. They can easily gain a few provs during the first England/France war by attacking French allies such as Bourbonnais, Provence of Auvergne, and then annex Vendée to have a nice chunk of France that give them enough power to destroy France.
Yes, but I just saw Luxembourg stretch all the way to Savoy on the Med. They were busy dividing France with Auvergne!
One of the real strengths of this game IMHO is the way that Underdogs can sometimes grow up to be Canine Superheroes!
I've never played Punjab, but Delhi isn't easy.
Originally posted by Eochaid
SHHHHH! Don't say it that loud! Brittons could be hearing and believe me, you wouldn't want to piss them off! They're very stubborn.
Yet I don't agree with you. They can easily gain a few provs during the first England/France war by attacking French allies such as Bourbonnais, Provence of Auvergne, and then annex Vendée to have a nice chunk of France that give them enough power to destroy France.
True, they could, but they don't, unless I make it happen. They lose, then they get overrun. But you have to admire the way they keep coming back ...
(BTW they are not Brittons, they are Breton. Arthur was a Briton. I am British.)
Being French, I know they are Bretons... Yet Britton is the English translation of this term.
Option C (~5% chance) has no inheritance.
Also, if Burgundy is at war for the eight years where the event can trigger, it does not fire.
Being English, I ...
oh never mind.What I meant to add last time was that you have to admire the way they keep declaring war on large dangerous brutes like France, Denmark etc and getting battered. They should fight nice, gentle Auvergne or Provence and settle it with a game of boules or a drinking contest.
Well I do have an explanation about why Brittons/Bretons/inhabitants of Brittany D) keep DoWing the biggest countries.....
Their is a French saying: "Si Dieu a fait la Bretagne si belle c'est pour se faire pardonner d'avoir fait les Bretons si cons."
Roughly translated it means: "If God made Brittany so beautiful, it is so we would forgive him for making the Brittons so stupid."
Now I hope the Britton/Breton readers of this thread don't get offended. Please guys.... I know all the sayings Brittons have about the French
D) keep DoWing the biggest countries..... Their is a French saying: "Si Dieu a fait la Bretagne si belle c'est pour se faire pardonner d'avoir fait les Bretons si cons."
Roughly translated it means: "If God made Brittany so beautiful, it is so we would forgive him for making the Brittons so stupid."
Now I hope the Britton/Breton readers of this thread don't get offended.
Please guys.... I know all the sayings Brittons have about the French 
heh
In my Bavarian game at about 1525, Switzerland is my ally, we split up Austria, gone... they own 1/2 half of France, and Vassalized the other, while Bavaria took Bohemia, and have a large Brandenburg protecting my to the north. Venice and Hungary appeased with ducats to my south, and the I'm just about to get Luxembourg then head north and throw the Danes out of Northern Germany. Venice is huge, eating up the Turks. Portugal owns Iberian Peninsula. Scotland died, Ireland owns all of its own island, and Took wales in peace, now wales rebelled.. this looks interesting =)....
Oh and Prussia is alive and kicking, when the Hanseatic league died, Sweden, Brandenburg and Prussia got hitched, and Prussia and Brandenburg look ripe for a good future...
I'm just keeping an Eye on Prussia/Brandenburg and Switzerland, and expand a little myself, and I'll enjoy these nations kicking some but for awhile.
Asia:
Tibet/Korea - normally manages to be an underdog...
Europe:
So many mentioned, but I'd go with Brabant... almost always falls.
Most of the French minors too get eaten up, Brittany my love =(
NA:
Well I'd say the Creek and naturally the Lanape if not already conquered will get it from me.
Africa:
Congo/Zulu...
In my Bavarian game at about 1525, Switzerland is my ally, we split up Austria, gone... they own 1/2 half of France, and Vassalized the other, while Bavaria took Bohemia, and have a large Brandenburg protecting my to the north. Venice and Hungary appeased with ducats to my south, and the I'm just about to get Luxembourg then head north and throw the Danes out of Northern Germany. Venice is huge, eating up the Turks. Portugal owns Iberian Peninsula. Scotland died, Ireland owns all of its own island, and Took wales in peace, now wales rebelled.. this looks interesting =)....
Oh and Prussia is alive and kicking, when the Hanseatic league died, Sweden, Brandenburg and Prussia got hitched, and Prussia and Brandenburg look ripe for a good future...
I'm just keeping an Eye on Prussia/Brandenburg and Switzerland, and expand a little myself, and I'll enjoy these nations kicking some but for awhile.
Asia:
Tibet/Korea - normally manages to be an underdog...
Europe:
So many mentioned, but I'd go with Brabant... almost always falls.
Most of the French minors too get eaten up, Brittany my love =(
NA:
Well I'd say the Creek and naturally the Lanape if not already conquered will get it from me.
Africa:
Congo/Zulu...
I have a game running as Mantua where France got wiped out and mostly divided between Brittany and Burgundy, with England and Aragon (which was not annexed by Spain) owning parts. I had nothing to do with it, as I was focusing on Italy and Austria, and have more recently expanded into South America and Australia. France came back as a one province revolter in Lyonnais, and was force converted by a two province revolter Huguenots. France later annexed Huguenots by event, and had another province defect to them, so they're now up to four provinces in 1699 with all sorts of leaders.
I know they have already been mentioned but i have to say The Knights. Just because they are ALWAYS serious shit disturbers. They get into an alliance with austria or some continental power then go about DoW on everyone and their brother, never seeing a lick of the actual fighting. I think they represent an alien force controling the destiny of Europe. hehe.
I once played as the Sibir, they can most certainly be considered underdogs.
I once played as the Sibir, they can most certainly be considered underdogs.
Oh it has to be Helvetia. How can you not be sorry for a country between Austria, Burgundy, and France?
Kingdom of Jerusalem. They never appear naturally, but I make it a point when I'm playing a Catholic country to beat down whatever power owns Judea, convert it to Catholicism, and release it. Especially when I'm playing the Papal States; never trust anyone but the Pope to do the job right.
Oman - they have a wealthy capital and can easily build a trade empire
they also have a nice fleet
they also have a nice fleet
ryazan..
not nice being next to lithuania..
nor russia
nor sweden..
i swa ryazan get up to about 3 provinces, but i thnk they lost their cool and handed them back to novgorod, who then got stomped by muscovy...(who then lost afew provinces to austria,, the provinces didn't even have the deceny to revolt back either)
Heretic
not nice being next to lithuania..
nor russia
nor sweden..
i swa ryazan get up to about 3 provinces, but i thnk they lost their cool and handed them back to novgorod, who then got stomped by muscovy...(who then lost afew provinces to austria,, the provinces didn't even have the deceny to revolt back either)
Heretic
Mmm, for playing... They could do a bit of colonising on the Indian coast, as well as nibbling a little on the Iranian lands across the Gulf. Good idea!