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A fun little topic. Basically, what is your favorite minor dynasty? It could be a baron, a count, a duke, or even a courtier' dynasty that eventually became strong. State your reasons if you so choose to, but you don't have too. I'll start, of course.

Favorite minor dynasty has to be the Spartenos. Love their name, their starting position, and being from Southern Italy and Greek, makes them all the more better. Not to mention they're very hard to survive as.
 

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In my most recent pre-1.07, I had a dynasty of Cumans in my Italian Empire, the house of Severin. I got their ancestor into my court during my first ruler's reign (used the marriage trick - married one of my courtiers to a heathen with great stats, my courter hates their new heathen ruler, invite the courtier back, voila awesome heathen courtier), and he had several branches of his family that I give minor holdings (cities and baronies) to, and they served my family loyally for 3-4 generations (particularly as generals) before the 1.07 patch came out and I stopped that game.

I bet if I'd played that game longer I would have gotten a dynasty of Asian-Cuman-Italians powerful enough to challenge my rule.
 

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anytime i play as the byzantines i usually try to give dynasties that produced emperors some lands. In my byzantine games i ensure the palailogos,monomachos,doukas,kommenos etc. have lands(granted i usually play as a kommenos). Im usually only iffy around the angeloi....they ruined the empire

edit: prolly phokas is my favorite minor dynasty(well in 1066). Nikephoros Phokas the pale death of the saracens,only conquered by a woman(and a rather jealous and powerful general)

im probably going to try a game oneday with that minor dynasty that starts just NW of switzerland called the habsburgs. Well probably with ALOT less inbreding however
 

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There's a lovely little Welsh dynasty, that to my knowledge has no land, called "Dinefwyr". I like to find them and make them a duke in whichever kingdom I'm playing. :D
 

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They start with Dyfed (the westernmost Welsh county) in 1066, but they don't often hold it for long as the only two people eligible for the throne (the current Count (and Duke of Deheubarth) and his heir) are both in their 60s :p

Actually, they're one of my favourites as well since I played as them back in 1.06 :)

Another favourite, though, would have to be the Wake dynasty, which is what they've decided to call Hereward the Wake's House ingame. You can grant him the county of York or Lincoln in 1066 and then play him just like any other Saxon Count (start on Christmas 1066 and try and get the throne back in Saxon hands!)
 
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I love playing as Ua Ruaire dynasty.
 

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A fun little topic. Basically, what is your favorite minor dynasty? It could be a baron, a count, a duke, or even a courtier' dynasty that eventually became strong. State your reasons if you so choose to, but you don't have too. I'll start, of course.

Favorite minor dynasty has to be the Spartenos. Love their name, their starting position, and being from Southern Italy and Greek, makes them all the more better. Not to mention they're very hard to survive as.

Hah, funny you should mention them... I just now noticed they existed the other day, and I noted them as a possible future game. Despot of Sicily, anyone? Could be fun. And the reason I noticed them is because I was curious to who that independent county was nearly a century after the game started in Sicily... somehow, they've beaten the odds so far.


Personally, I'm fond of House de Haro in Viscaya. They're Basque and its de jure Navarra, but start as vassals of Castille. But I became their fan during my very first game where, after the fall of Viscaya to Muslim hands, they fled all the way north to Jamtland... where I, as the Norse Jarl of Jamtland, gladly accepted them into my home. They converted to Norse and eventually to Swedish, and I kept them alive for over a century as un-landed members of my court, and always as my marshalls as they had an uncanny knack for military geniuses in the family. Whenever I claimed the throne of Norway (along with the few Swedish duchies I already had), they were one of the first I made into Jarls. One day I'm totally going to actually start a game with them with the intent of conquering Navarra and forging a nice little kingdom with chunks of northern Iberia and southern Aquitaine.


And then there's House Gren, the first house I ever played (via console commands, because they're Norse). You're Norse, and you start as the Chief of the lowly Aland Islands... a single castle on the frontier. An absolute blast of an experience, from fighting off (and sometimes befriending) the Finnish Pagans in the east to helping keep Sweden pagan in the west, and ultimately going on to try and push Christianity back to the Levant where it belongs. The Norse Reconquista of Scandinavia is a nice undertaking, and probably the only viable option to ultimately keep the faith alive. And its all the more fun when the people doing it are the descendants of a warrior named Olaf who was the right hand of the leader who kept Sweden Pagan. Olaf Gren is an amazing man, and it always brought me some joy to know that the King of Norway owes all of it to a man who lead a bunch of guys from a lonely island to raise their swords and axes in defense against Christianity.

And, to make the religious rounds, I'll note House Baduspanid of Mazandaran in Persia. They were my first (and currently only) Muslim dynasty game, and I love em'. You start off as Persian Shia vassals of the Seljuks, deep in the mountains of Persia with your neighbors being primarily stronger, Turkish and Kurdish Sunnis. A fun dynasty to not only try and establish a powerbase in the empire with, but to eventually try and reclaim the old Persian Empire with. A great challenge... just a shame that once you've crowned yourself Shahanshah of Persia there's little that can ever stand in your way. I think I'm just shy of 1400 with them, but I grew tired of constantly micromanaging a mostly landlocked Empire when I've got no one that poses a true threat. Heck, the only "setback" I've had was when Timurid showed up and claimed Khiva before I could even get my silly amount of troops organized. Now I let him keep it in hopes he claims Khwarizm and gives me something to aim for whenever I import it to EUIII... Instead, he keeps coming for Persia with, like, 12k guys... and gets crushed over and over and over.
 

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Personally, I'm fond of House de Haro in Viscaya. They're Basque and its de jure Navarra, but start as vassals of Castille. But I became their fan during my very first game where, after the fall of Viscaya to Muslim hands, they fled all the way north to Jamtland... where I, as the Norse Jarl of Jamtland, gladly accepted them into my home. They converted to Norse and eventually to Swedish, and I kept them alive for over a century as un-landed members of my court, and always as my marshalls as they had an uncanny knack for military geniuses in the family. Whenever I claimed the throne of Norway (along with the few Swedish duchies I already had), they were one of the first I made into Jarls. One day I'm totally going to actually start a game with them with the intent of conquering Navarra and forging a nice little kingdom with chunks of northern Iberia and southern Aquitaine.

Gosh, I wish I could remember the name of the family, but I distinctly remember while duke of Småland I married off a 3rd son or so to a Basque girl who subsequently had much of her family join her. They were often my Martials as well!
 

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House of Dunbar in Scotland is nice for playing saxon outside of England, and as good a place as any to plot against the Normans. Harold Godwinson's sons are in your court, so you can use his line to farm some weak claims on England with matri-marriage.

I'm also fond of the af Orkneyjar, with whom I usually contend with the Crovans until I can try to eat more land out of Scotland.

The House of Savoy has a nice start, because to your north there are several isolated counts waiting to overthrown and a kingdom title for you to work towards. Plus there's something awesome about starting your reign from a castle in the alps.

I probably drift back to the van Vlaanderens more than other dynasties though. There's several ways to go with that family. Advance within France, defect to the HRE, you have a kingdom title to work towards and England just across the water. Lots of possibilities.
 

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I tend to favour von Habsburg myself, but di Savoie is nice too

Im sucker for cool sounding last names :p
 

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House of Dunbar in Scotland is nice for playing saxon outside of England, and as good a place as any to plot against the Normans. Harold Godwinson's sons are in your court, so you can use his line to farm some weak claims on England with matri-marriage.
Really? They shouldn't be...

I suppose it depends on what you class as a minor dynasty -- I quite like starting as Konan de Rennes, duke of Brittany. Historically he was likely poisoned on the orders of William the Conqueror, and his sister became duchess, succeeded by the de Cornouaille dynasty she married into.

Other favorites are the Wessex, Knýtlinga and the rulers of Volga Bulgaria, Nubia and the Songhai.

The problem with the Knýtlinga in vanilla is that although there is a surviving heir, he is a bastard and so can not continue the family line.
 

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I am a fan of Faste of Galta.the only member of your Dynasty starting in September 1066.

I enjoy playing the von Hapsburgs......and try matching their IRL success.(Best I ever did was become King of Denmark,mostly because Kaiser usually hands out some duchy up there.)

Ui Conchobar (Dukes of Connacht) because thats the part of Ireland my family is from.........
 

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Really? They shouldn't be...

Not in 1066. They move about a bit I think. At some point in the 1070s Godwine, Magnus and Eadmund will be there, with two being on your council. I assume because Dunbar is the last Saxon culture duke. No idea where they are meant to be historically, but I do find their presence there useful.

The problem with the Knýtlinga in vanilla is that although there is a surviving heir, he is a bastard and so can not continue the family line.

Marry him to a lowborn. No requirement for matrilineal marriage when the mother doesn't have a dynasty :p
 

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I played my first game of CK1 as the House of d'Albon (Counts of Dauphine Viennois). I have a soft spot for them, so whenever I'm playing a Western European game, I try to help them out.
 

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Not in 1066. They move about a bit I think. At some point in the 1070s Godwine, Magnus and Eadmund will be there, with two being on your council. I assume because Dunbar is the last Saxon culture duke. No idea where they are meant to be historically, but I do find their presence there useful.
Actually it was me who had those changes added, but the Godwin boys ought to be in the court of the high king of Leinster I believe. They fled to Ireland after their father died at Hastings and then raided the Cornish coast for a while, before going back. It's presumed they all died in Ireland, but it's not known for sure. I'm certainly unaware of them ever being present in Scotland.

Marry him to a lowborn. No requirement for matrilineal marriage when the mother doesn't have a dynasty :p
Is that really true? Can bastards marry lowborn women? I had no idea.