Fatherland Mod - "X" version

[Dr. Intolerance]

lol I promise not to go full-time vegan conspirator. The mod does need to account for a considerably different population total than what we have today. That definitely needs to be addressed. I don't know if the mod already has many events for that, increasing manpower in provinces over time, but it's definitely something to do for a finished product.

Africa is probably the best place to grind the Axis and Allies against eachother. Half of it can be a "demilitarized zone" extending from north of the Congo to the south of it, with Axis in control of the north and Allies in control of the south. It would be excellent to spark off many events as both sides toss out ideological imperatives trying to prove the moral case of their side. Allies prefer the humanist individualism, saying that their systems needs to unlock the potential civility of men, while the Axis glorifies the pristine nature of the untouched-by-men parts of Africa and all that racial stuff too or whatever.

Check out my idea, for the nature preserve/militray partition, depending on how the propaganda per alliance wishes to explain how well they are planning for things.

The island Ascension can also be a treatised type boundary that all Axis ships remain above that latitude and Allied ships passing into the next ocean must follow a route south of the island never to venture further north than it and nearer to Africa. Of course that's meaningless in gameplay terms.

 

[kurume0203]

If you change tech tree, please fix gde technology and event.
For example, In Imperial Russia flavor event add gde more 50.0%(total 112.0%).
But this advantage will be invalidated by researching Attritional Containment doctrine technology (it makes gde to 75.0%)
Unless this is not intentionally, it would be appropriate to fix these kinds events.

 

[pakotorino]

Please, for the love of pakotorino, let's not turn this forum into another Putin Mod forum which was eventually shut down. I hope we stay on topic here.

Thank you @Pasha
Please guys, stay on topic, STAY ON TOPIC.
Talk about the mod, the bug, the gameplay .... here is not the place where you coming to speak of your ideas,opinions or political view ... here is a thread where we MUST to speak only about the mod.

I don't want to risk having the thread locked because of you, right ?

 

[Dr. Intolerance]

Thank you @Pasha
Please guys, stay on topic, STAY ON TOPIC.
Talk about the mod, the bug, the gameplay .... here is not the place where you coming to speak of your ideas,opinions or political view ... here is a thread where we MUST to speak only about the mod.

I don't want to risk having the thread locked because of you, right ?

Understood, Capitan! I have been successfully baited and will muster all my willpower toward refraining from commenting on anything but the mod.

 

[der Kriegsherr]

@pakotorino

Did you revise the China area already? I loved the update, especially Manchuria. However, I started to run into some problems when the KMT congress events once we got rid of Mao. Namely, the congress made me at war with the entire Axis.

I did some revisions to make it purely a peacetime thing and eliminate conflicts like this if you're interested.

 

[Dr. Intolerance]

Hello! So I am actually playing this game for once. I played the succesor mod briefly as Germany when the SS go mutiny or wtv and Hitler is long gone. Eyy, my bad, that mod is a different project, Thunder in the Sky. So, how should I play this without much to spoil it, should I as Germany avoid declaring wars on my own until a certain date? I notice a lot of these treaties are signed until after 1964 which just seems crazy on common sense level allowing remnants of the communists to remain and arm with possibly devastating weapons. I could just delete those NAPs and declare manually but should I wait a while for some reason? I have a four year plan to expand infantry by 70 divisions and more than 20 divisions of motorised engineers, mechanized with SH tanks, and armoured, each of them at 3 parrallel by 7 serial, so 21 motors, 21 mechs, and 21 tanks.
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The sharks are circling the wreckage of the remnant Reds. The Turkestan military control is a sweet touch, and now Hitler is attempting to impress Kira I and the Far Eastern Provinces. Hey, I figure it's a likely scenario and really cool to be in the game, notwithstanding the "how," but I'm talking about in-line with Hitler and his very few but key interactions with monarchists such as Degrelle, who's now full-time Wehrmacht surprisingly. Awesome mod! Thanks a ton, developercrafters.

 

[pakotorino]

@pakotorino

Did you revise the China area already? I loved the update, especially Manchuria. However, I started to run into some problems when the KMT congress events once we got rid of Mao. Namely, the congress made me at war with the entire Axis.

I did some revisions to make it purely a peacetime thing and eliminate conflicts like this if you're interested.

Well, yes thank you.
I've made some fix here and there in the China event chains, but if you want send me your work, write me a PM, thank you !

 

[Khor]

I usually have little time to create things, but more to think about stuff, so I think you could add a few nations to your mod.

One:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria_Governorate it was a puppet of Romania, which could be integrated later, or it could gain its freedom if the "stars align" with events.

Trubchevsk Governorate. Now this is a bit tricky. Only a handful of books mentions this. A certain Melnikov who was the former police chief of Trubchevsk created a kind of free state.
The have beaten back every single partisan attack and restarted the work in factories and the fields. It actually worked.
The got later reinforced by a German cavalry unit called Reiterverband Trubchewsk led by a certain von Winning.
Just to show a single battle, in june 15 1942 more than a thousand partisans have invaded the territory, but they were beaten back bloodied. The only German support was the cavalry unit.
The Trubchevsk militia became veterans and skilled. Later on they were shipped to France and they surrendered in Normandy.
Trubchevsk could found a separate Russian ideology. They could integrate either Bryansk, or a greater part of Chernigov. I think the Germans would pretty much support a working and stable territory amidst chaos. (Less partisans and more working factories are always useful for them.)
They did not found any far right parties and such, even planted some red banners on the factories, but they were not communists.
Maybe they could became a moderate left-socialist nation who could eat up former Soviet territories fast. (A socialist and friendly nation would be popular.)

Lepel Republic:
Otl Kaminski was beaten out of Lokot and created the even more short-lived Lepel Republic. In this Atl he would be pitted against Voskoboinik and his nationalistic irredentist Lokot Republic.
He would certainly try to coup it and if he fails, than he would move out with his warbands and created the Lepel Republic. It would probably declare war on the White Russian nation. (And they would have a chance, since so many renegades and scum were circulating in that region, that he would have a horde in no time.)
It would probably happen after the death of Hitler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_governorate_of_Montenegro (I don't quite remember if it was in the mod)

In case Hitler dies, some nations could pop-up (so smaller nations would do something and not just sit out everything):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolky_Republic (Rk Ukraine could fall in to a civil war with multiple nations)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihać_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Alba_(1944) (Mussolini would be popular, but a general socialist uprising could stir up trouble even for them)

 

[Ericafaq]

Lepel Republic:
Otl Kaminski was beaten out of Lokot and created the even more short-lived Lepel Republic. In this Atl he would be pitted against Voskoboinik and his nationalistic irredentist Lokot Republic.
He would certainly try to coup it and if he fails, than he would move out with his warbands and created the Lepel Republic. It would probably declare war on the White Russian nation. (And they would have a chance, since so many renegades and scum were circulating in that region, that he would have a horde in no time.)
It would probably happen after the death of Hitler.

Otl Kaminski and Voskoboinik were best frieds. In addition, Voskoboinik had very formal powers (anti-semitic speeches, announcements and etc ). All real power belonged to Kaminski. After all Lokot Republic was a military base for SS RONA. If you looking for some kinda civil war between Russian nazis, it's better to add confrontation between Lokot government and Vlasov supportrers.
Like i'm said in Thunder thread, Vlasov and Kaminski hated each other up to the desire to kill. According to one version, Kaminski was executed due to the growing influence of Vlasov in the Reich

 

[Khor]

Where do you read, that Voskoboinik and Kaminski were friends?
I don't think that would have lasted for long. Voskoboinik had plans and ambitions, not to mention mostly sane ideas, while Kaminski was the brute force. A warlord.

 

[Ericafaq]

Where do you read, that Voskoboinik and Kaminski were friends?

In biography of K. Voskoboinik. I'm read it in 2017 and the article was non-English. Accordingly, they became friends by virtue of circumstances. Since Voskoboinik was a rural teacher and Kaminski was rural technologist. Also Kaminsi had connections in the Red Army. I remind that in the Civil War he fought on the side of the Communists, just like Vlasov

 

[Khor]

Interesting, thank you.

Would Vlasov be allowed to have such an inflence? I always wondered who else would the Germans choose for a puppet Russian state, or something similar.
I highly doubt it would be Vlasov. he was too popular and a skilled military commander. Not to mention he was too independent thinking person.

They would probably use someone else.

 

[Ericafaq]

I always wondered who else would the Germans choose for a puppet Russian state, or something similar.

They would probably use someone else.

In 1941 after fall of Smolensk, Fedor Von Bock proposed to create pro-German Russian state with capital in Smolensk. But of course, the idea was rejected by virtue of the original plans to create RK Moskowien/ Russland. The bottom line was that Smolensk state would be potential base for Vlasov's ROA

 

[Khor]

That is interesting. Could you write a book, or article about it? I'm really interested. Was there a person mentioned about it's leadership?

In the Fatherland mod I still think that the Eastern occupied lands should be a puppet nation from the game start., They doesn't really have land borders to the mainland. My proposal is and was the Östliche Kolonial Regierung (Eastern Colonial Administration).
It would be a puppet state and it could transform to multiple nations. One would be Rk Moskowien or a puppet Russian State. (With a different name like Republic of Smolensk.) It could be chopped up to neighboruing nations and so on. In the early '60s the player or AI could transform it to a joint German-Russian state. (It would be so mixed by that point, that it would become something new.)
The ÖKR could have events about partisans, failing factories, village uprisings etc. The events could have harsh-moderate-lenient choices for those. Some problems would require diplomacy and some would require the sword. You could never know if it is utterly failing until its too late. It would simulate the chaos in the situation.
It would be an AI only nation, so player could influence it from the outside, but not control it. (Only if it becomes something like RK Moskowien)

It would send regular "tribute to the mainland.

 

[Khor]

https://imgur.com/a/JIBtSyf I'm collecting leaders for something like that. The first flag would be for the ÖKR and the second one would be for the Republic of Novgorod or something similar. (Most of the surviving Führers after the death of Hitler would not keep it in its current form, they would probably do something useful about it, like create a state run by Germans, but mainly populated by Slavic people. Novgorod as a name would be better than nothing.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_von_Seydlitz-Kurzbach he would be the leader of the state. Not unfriendly to the Russians and a capable leader.

 

[Dr. Intolerance]

Vlasov is an "official" Nazi in Russian textbooks?

 

[Ericafaq]

Vlasov is an "official" Nazi in Russian textbooks?

I graduated from school in 2010, And we didn’t have a single mention about ROA, Vlasov, Lokot Republic. I graduated from college in 2014, and again, we didn't have a singlie mention about "Russian nazis"

Now about Vlasov and today Russian federation. In general, we are not talking about this topic. Even on the day of victory or the anniversary of the nazi invasion (22 June)

Vlasov is hero and brave knight for the Russian national-democratic party and marginal nazi groups

Some Church leaders tried to rehabilitate him in the 90s, but the federal court refused to do so. The mayor of Moscow in the 90s was an open supporter of the ROA and Vlasov.
In Podlosk (Mocow region) there is a museum in memory of the struggle against Bolshevism. Where the focus is on the ROA, Krasnov's cossacks, SS division RONA and etc

 

[Khor]

Some English historians advocate for the term "Second Russian Civil War" since it pretty much happened in ww2. Even today it is hard to tell how many former Soviet citizens (not just Russians) have fought on the side of the Germans. Even in Stalingrad, a high number of ex-Soviets fought on the German side.
Very little of them cared for any kind of Nazi bullsh.t.
A large number wanted either a separate nation from Russia, or a republic in which the state does not brutalize or order everything.
(So even if there would have been a German victory, the fighting wouldn't stopped, it would have continued against the Germans.)

I'm loosing point here, so I should mention, that some units like the ROA was pretty much what it was created for: Liberation of the homeland. (While others were just warlords hiding in sheep covers like Kaminski.)
There were many other units not under the leadership of Vlasov like the Russian Protective Corps.
The Germans really didn't like Vlasov, since he was very popular on both sides and a skilled commander. They always feared, that he would turn on them. (Which he actually did, but it was too late by then.)

There are quite a number of themes still not spoken about the second world war.
Only recently did a book come out in Hungary which has written the atrocities committed by the Hungarian Occupational Forces in Ukraine.
While usually it was committed as a rataliation for partisan activity, it still was brutal.

A lot of questions are still unanswered.

I'm currently researching my people from Békés county in Hungary who fought in the Waffen SS. Most of them were drafted with very little freedom and fought on the Eastern Front until a historically interesting thing happened and in 1944 they were fighting in their hometowns against Soviet forces.
The Hungarian Armed Forces and the Waffen SS units had the same people in them from the same region.
Finding information of them is like a needle in a haystack situation, but still it is an interesting topic, and some former SS soldiers are still alive.

 

[Spacesquatch]

So what nations have a campaign's worth of content? I'm not terribly adapt at DH so a campaign that isn't reliant on combat skills would be appreciated.

 

[Dr. Intolerance]

So what nations have a campaign's worth of content? I'm not terribly adapt at DH so a campaign that isn't reliant on combat skills would be appreciated.

Germany is perfect for a start. You'll get to learn all the mechanics of combat and occupying territory where you aren't welcome but not in a total war setting. When the remnant Soviets declare war on Turkestan, accept the decision to control Turkestan's troops and the legion that Germany sends them and that gives you good introduction in combat no matter the outcome of that theatre.

There is a ton of campaign flavor and half of it is untouchable without going too far and over-extending the "Imperial" resources, but go wild and see what happens.