Fatherland Mod - Codename : RESURGENT

[pakotorino]

Guys i'm on holidays from tomorrow so we'll see in early September, in these days I'll take a pause from modding.
I hope to made a new release soon, anyway Have fun with Fatherland
Ciao !

 

[Lazer_Pages]

Have a nice vacation. Maybe by september I'll git guy at darkest hour.

 

[Soul of Darknes]

Have fun!

 

[der Kriegsherr]

@pakotorino

Have a nice vacation, boss!
But back to business, my planned Turkey expansion for the mod is dead in the water due to lack of ideas, so if anyone wants to take it up, feel free.

 

[att]

If France institutes a civilian government after Petain dies, is there an event to intervene as Germany?

 

[Khor]

So this should be the Reich succession in my opinion:

I. Göring and Goebbels successfully negotiate with the Wehrmacht.

I./1. Göring usurps everything a few month later.
I./2. Goebbels usurps everything.

II. Bormann calls the Senate, but bombs them and makes himself sole survivor.

III. The Senate is called and election begins.

III./1. Himmler is chosen successor.
III./2. Dönitz is successor.
III./3. Speer is successor.
III./4. Bormann is successor.

IV. Wehrmacht takes everything and issues martial law. He chooses a form:

IV./1. Military rule.
IV./1./a Rommel is chosen as Führer.
IV./1./b Guderian is chosen.
IV./1./c Manstein is chosen.
IV./1./d Rundstedt is chosen.
IV./1./e Paulus is chosen.

IV./2. Wehrmacht Head of State, but a partial democracy (in which only rightist parties can be voted)
IV./2./a


IV./3. Wehrmacht chooses to elect a king.
IV./3./a Hohenzollern dynasty with Louis Ferdinand as ruler
IV./3./b Successor to the Bavarian throne is chosen as ruler.(Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria)
IV./3./c Habsburg dynasty is chosen. (Otto becomes ruler.)
IV./3./d Different Hohenzollern branch. (Frederick, Prince of Hohenzollern (H-Sigmaringen branch)

V. In each scenario except III./1. Himmler can try to grab leadership and Gothenland can prepare
for a civil war. If Gothenland is isolationist, than Heydrich can grab leadership from Himmler, or
if Himmler is the Führer, than he can try to grab Führership. Each other Führer will have an event
about dealing with Gothenland later. First choice should be leaving them alone. The second would be
trying to take the leaders in custody and the third is marching the armies there.

Leadership of Gothenland if Heydrich or Himmler is not in the picture any more:

I. Joachim Peiper (or maybe Karl Hanke?)
II. Kurt Daluege
III. Matthias Kleinheisterkamp
IV. Herbert Gille
V. Paul Hausser

While some choices could look weird, all of them would have pros and cons. For example Otto von Habsburg has excellent ties to the Allies and he would be a good figure for peaceful transition and easing tension.
What do you think?

And some pictures for victory events: http://imgur.com/a/xzva7
(I have more, but some of them have unsuitable insignia on it, so I'll not post them here.)

 

[Khor]

First draft of the first three Hungarian election events:
(Various events could disband election, but these are the ones to start with.)

"Choosing the right one." (1948 election.)

After the end of world war 2, we returned the everyday life and Governor Horthy has proclaimed that
a new election will be held September this year. There are several main candidates who will fight
for the trust of the voters. One potential winner is the party of the former Prime Minister Béla
Imrédy, the Magyar Megújulás Pártja (Hungarian Renewal Party), which is backed by the Reich. The
second candidate is Ferenc Szálasi with the Nyilaskeresztes Párt (Arrow Cross Party). He was assumed
to be a friend to the Reich, which is not the case. He is a revisionist and have made several grand
plans public. The third possibility is Endre Bajcsy-Zsilinszky who is leading the Független Kisgazdapárt
(Independent Hungarian Smallholder's Party). It is a curiosity since it contains right-wing socialist
peasants. The fourth candidate is the Szoicáldemokrata Párt (Social-Democrat Party) led by
György Marosán. The fifth and last candidate with the least possible chance to win is the liberal
Polgári Szabadságpárt (Citizen's Freedom Party) with Károly Rassay at its head.

"We love the Reich." (Dissent +3, HRP wins.)
"Szálasi is right." (Dissent +1, ACP wins.)
"Endre is our man." (Dissent -10, IHSP wins.)
"We are democrats." (Dissent -2, SDP wins.)
"Liberalism it is." (Dissent +3, CFP.)


"Choosing the right one." (1952 election.)

A new election year has come with a couple of possibilities. This year there is a great shift as the
power of the Reich is clearly at our doorstep. Several parties vanished, while older minority parties
became much more important. Imrédy is still leading the Hungarian Renewal Party. Szálasi is still at
the head of the Arrow Cross Party. The third one is the notorious Magyar Fajvédő Párt (Hungarian
Racial Defence Party) with Iván Héjjas at the head. The Legitimista Párt (Legitimist Party) with baron
István Kray is also a possibility. They advocate for the restoration of the House of Habsburg. And
finally the left leaning Magyar Radikális Párt (Hungarian Radical Party) with the moderately socialist
Imre Csécsy.

"The Reich is the best." (Dissent -3, HRP wins.)
"Szálasi is still here." (Dissent -5, ACP wins.)
"Héjjas is our hero." (Dissent -1, HRDP wins.)
"We want a king." (Dissent +5, LP wins.)
"Comrade come here." (Dissent +10, HRP wins.)


"Choosing the right one." (1956 election.)

After many years in the shadow of the Reich, this marks the first election in which there is a large
focus on moving away from the Reich politics and favouring other parties. The Legitimist have been
boosted to a larger voting base. The Independent Hungarian Smallholders Party is back in the major leagues
along with the Liberalists. The only right-wing party remaining is the reborn Kerésztény Nemzeti
Szocialista Front (Christian National Socialist Front) lead by Károly Maróthy after the death of
the Arrow Cross party leader Szálasi. A surprising fifth candidate is the Magyar Parasztpárt (Hungarian
Peasant's Party) lead by Gyula Illyés.

"The Legitimists are right." (Dissent -5, LP wins.)
"To the fields!" (Dissent -10, IHSP wins.)
"Can I buy a Daily Mail?" (Dissent +2, LibP wins.)
"In God and the leader we trust." (Dissent +5, CNSF wins.)
"Write me something." (Dissent -2, HPP wins.)

 

[der Kriegsherr]

@Khor

That Germany proposal is a thing of beauty! I'm just worried what that behemoth of an event file would look like!

Also, I'm going to have to defer to you on the Hungary outcomes, since you're way more knowledgeable about this and well, commies with Soviet backing.

Spoiler: About Hungary in the interwar/wartime

If you're interested in and/or available to write some event descriptions (for an unrelated project to this) about the changes of government/cabinets from '36-44 message me; only limited to historical ones at this point.

 

[Khor]

Someone earlier mentioned, that what Kaiserreich was for ww1, Fatherland could be for ww2. It is a good idea, but in this case there should be multiple choices.

I drop here ideas, so people could debate on it and we could start constructing this.
Next stop is the Soviet Union.

I. Kalinin does not relinquish power. If he does so, than the next ones should be the available choices:

II. Beria purges everyone.
III. Zhukov ends the charade.
IV. Molotov survives.
V. Lazar Kaganovich stomps on everyone.

VI. Zhdanov. Now this is a tricky one. If Siberia somehow conquers SU, than Zhdanov could proclaim himself the new party leader and re-establish the Soviet Union under him.

 

[Lazer_Pages]

I wonder how different the policies would actually be between all of those different fhurers.

And I wish the Russian Empire had more events, just because a neo tsarist state vs the Reich would be cool.

 

[Khor]

I think some of the Führers would do the same, so the follow up events could be tied to all of them. So some generic events for them.
For example fate of the Protectorate of Bohemia-Moravia. For Himmler, Heydrich, Goebbels etc. this would not pop-up, as they cared little for the people living there.
The option of a reborn Burgundian state would pop-up not just for the SS leaders, but also for some other hardliners.

 

[der Kriegsherr]

@Khor

Kalinin was basically Stalin's puppet, no? Is what he wants really going to make that big a difference? Everything else, I'm fine with, just pointing that out.

 

[Conquerer1234]

@Khor

Kalinin was basically Stalin's puppet, no? Is what he wants really going to make that big a difference? Everything else, I'm fine with, just pointing that out.

That is not wrong, but the thing is Kalinin was getting on in years and is sorta kinda dead. (he died of cancer in 1946) Technically the Chairman of the Presidium was a ceremonial position and the real (as in the effective) head of state was the General Secretary of the CPSU. the Head of Government would logically be the Premier of the Soviet Union (as that is what Darkest Hour full uses and it makes sense to use it for the Fatherland mod, although who the General Secretary or the Premier (in 1948) is up to debate as Stalin held both positions in 1941.

 

[Khor]

Sorry, I did not check in Kalinin, although I should have. I think he is the starting leader for SU in Fatherland and I left it in the idea, that he remains so.

 

[pakotorino]

Hi guys,
i'm back at home from my holydays in the wonderful Corse, France and i've a couple of days before turn back at work (the RL work )

If France institutes a civilian government after Petain dies, is there an event to intervene as Germany?

France (and Free France of course) could be redraw. I don't known when but it's necessary a complete new organization of the events. Anyway at today there's an event with the intervention of Germany.

So this should be the Reich succession in my opinion:

I. Göring and Goebbels successfully negotiate with the Wehrmacht.

I./1. Göring usurps everything a few month later.
I./2. Goebbels usurps everything.

II. Bormann calls the Senate, but bombs them and makes himself sole survivor.

III. The Senate is called and election begins.

III./1. Himmler is chosen successor.
III./2. Dönitz is successor.
III./3. Speer is successor.
III./4. Bormann is successor.

IV. Wehrmacht takes everything and issues martial law. He chooses a form:

IV./1. Military rule.
IV./1./a Rommel is chosen as Führer.
IV./1./b Guderian is chosen.
IV./1./c Manstein is chosen.
IV./1./d Rundstedt is chosen.
IV./1./e Paulus is chosen.

IV./2. Wehrmacht Head of State, but a partial democracy (in which only rightist parties can be voted)
IV./2./a


IV./3. Wehrmacht chooses to elect a king.
IV./3./a Hohenzollern dynasty with Louis Ferdinand as ruler
IV./3./b Successor to the Bavarian throne is chosen as ruler.(Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria)
IV./3./c Habsburg dynasty is chosen. (Otto becomes ruler.)
IV./3./d Different Hohenzollern branch. (Frederick, Prince of Hohenzollern (H-Sigmaringen branch)

V. In each scenario except III./1. Himmler can try to grab leadership and Gothenland can prepare
for a civil war. If Gothenland is isolationist, than Heydrich can grab leadership from Himmler, or
if Himmler is the Führer, than he can try to grab Führership. Each other Führer will have an event
about dealing with Gothenland later. First choice should be leaving them alone. The second would be
trying to take the leaders in custody and the third is marching the armies there.

Leadership of Gothenland if Heydrich or Himmler is not in the picture any more:

I. Joachim Peiper (or maybe Karl Hanke?)
II. Kurt Daluege
III. Matthias Kleinheisterkamp
IV. Herbert Gille
V. Paul Hausser

While some choices could look weird, all of them would have pros and cons. For example Otto von Habsburg has excellent ties to the Allies and he would be a good figure for peaceful transition and easing tension.
What do you think?

And some pictures for victory events: http://imgur.com/a/xzva7
(I have more, but some of them have unsuitable insignia on it, so I'll not post them here.)

Perfect.
I think these could be near the perfection but it's an important amount of work, but it's really interesting and, who knows, in a future i'll redraw the actual chain.

First draft of the first three Hungarian election events:
(Various events could disband election, but these are the ones to start with.)

"Choosing the right one." (1948 election.)

After the end of world war 2, we returned the everyday life and Governor Horthy has proclaimed that
a new election will be held September this year. There are several main candidates who will fight
for the trust of the voters. One potential winner is the party of the former Prime Minister Béla
Imrédy, the Magyar Megújulás Pártja (Hungarian Renewal Party), which is backed by the Reich. The
second candidate is Ferenc Szálasi with the Nyilaskeresztes Párt (Arrow Cross Party). He was assumed
to be a friend to the Reich, which is not the case. He is a revisionist and have made several grand
plans public. The third possibility is Endre Bajcsy-Zsilinszky who is leading the Független Kisgazdapárt
(Independent Hungarian Smallholder's Party). It is a curiosity since it contains right-wing socialist
peasants. The fourth candidate is the Szoicáldemokrata Párt (Social-Democrat Party) led by
György Marosán. The fifth and last candidate with the least possible chance to win is the liberal
Polgári Szabadságpárt (Citizen's Freedom Party) with Károly Rassay at its head.

"We love the Reich." (Dissent +3, HRP wins.)
"Szálasi is right." (Dissent +1, ACP wins.)
"Endre is our man." (Dissent -10, IHSP wins.)
"We are democrats." (Dissent -2, SDP wins.)
"Liberalism it is." (Dissent +3, CFP.)


"Choosing the right one." (1952 election.)

A new election year has come with a couple of possibilities. This year there is a great shift as the
power of the Reich is clearly at our doorstep. Several parties vanished, while older minority parties
became much more important. Imrédy is still leading the Hungarian Renewal Party. Szálasi is still at
the head of the Arrow Cross Party. The third one is the notorious Magyar Fajvédő Párt (Hungarian
Racial Defence Party) with Iván Héjjas at the head. The Legitimista Párt (Legitimist Party) with baron
István Kray is also a possibility. They advocate for the restoration of the House of Habsburg. And
finally the left leaning Magyar Radikális Párt (Hungarian Radical Party) with the moderately socialist
Imre Csécsy.

"The Reich is the best." (Dissent -3, HRP wins.)
"Szálasi is still here." (Dissent -5, ACP wins.)
"Héjjas is our hero." (Dissent -1, HRDP wins.)
"We want a king." (Dissent +5, LP wins.)
"Comrade come here." (Dissent +10, HRP wins.)


"Choosing the right one." (1956 election.)

After many years in the shadow of the Reich, this marks the first election in which there is a large
focus on moving away from the Reich politics and favouring other parties. The Legitimist have been
boosted to a larger voting base. The Independent Hungarian Smallholders Party is back in the major leagues
along with the Liberalists. The only right-wing party remaining is the reborn Kerésztény Nemzeti
Szocialista Front (Christian National Socialist Front) lead by Károly Maróthy after the death of
the Arrow Cross party leader Szálasi. A surprising fifth candidate is the Magyar Parasztpárt (Hungarian
Peasant's Party) lead by Gyula Illyés.

"The Legitimists are right." (Dissent -5, LP wins.)
"To the fields!" (Dissent -10, IHSP wins.)
"Can I buy a Daily Mail?" (Dissent +2, LibP wins.)
"In God and the leader we trust." (Dissent +5, CNSF wins.)
"Write me something." (Dissent -2, HPP wins.)

Interesting. I take note and i'll add in a one of the future release.

Someone earlier mentioned, that what Kaiserreich was for ww1, Fatherland could be for ww2. It is a good idea, but in this case there should be multiple choices.

I drop here ideas, so people could debate on it and we could start constructing this.
Next stop is the Soviet Union.

I. Kalinin does not relinquish power. If he does so, than the next ones should be the available choices:

II. Beria purges everyone.
III. Zhukov ends the charade.
IV. Molotov survives.
V. Lazar Kaganovich stomps on everyone.

VI. Zhdanov. Now this is a tricky one. If Siberia somehow conquers SU, than Zhdanov could proclaim himself the new party leader and re-establish the Soviet Union under him.

Thank you for your kind of words, but Kaiserreich is the best mod of DH and have a great development team. I'm lonely, 40s, with two childs and a managing position in RL and i work just for passion in my spare time.
Anyway, the Soviet Union area it had to be the big revision in this release but as you know i work on a complete revision of Italy and the introduction of Manchu Empire (taking inspiration by Kaiserreich Qing) with new events and a new set up.
If you want expand the sketch for Soviet Union like you've made for Germany i think i can try to add something in the next future release.


Anyway guys, somebodies want to made some test in the actual WIP version ?
Please contact me in private if you want to be a "beta tester", thank you !

 

[Lazer_Pages]

Welcome back, I hope you had a good vacation.

As for beta testing, as much as I would like to I really don't have the time or the skill at darkest hour to be worthwhile as a tester.

 

[Polishruskie]

Since the Soviet Union needs a revised path, I've developed a mind map potentially adding more events for a Soviet playthrough.

 

[Khor]

Since the Soviet Union needs a revised path, I've developed a mind map potentially adding more events for a Soviet playthrough.

It is pquite good, but a few things are weird:
- why is Turkmenistan not Turkestan?
- if Soviets cede Kazakhstan, than why would they have a reuniting Central Asia event?
- Khruschev as leader of the Soviet Union? Unlikely. His rise was a follow up to Stalin. Stalin dies early here, so Krushcev is just a top party member. One in a hundred. (Maybe in the '50s he has a chance, but certainly not in 1948-49)
- The communist party would not form Russia. Not in a million years and certainly not with elections. Why would they? They would loose every legitimacy with that. There are a lot of Russia equivalents. Imperial Russia, Siberia, Far Eastern Republic, Lokot Republic, even RK Moscowien if it is released. Without the communist ideology, they would not have a chance. Only a a partially democratic Soviet Union is believable.

 

[Polishruskie]

It is pquite good, but a few things are weird:
- why is Turkmenistan not Turkestan?
- if Soviets cede Kazakhstan, than why would they have a reuniting Central Asia event?
- Khruschev as leader of the Soviet Union? Unlikely. His rise was a follow up to Stalin. Stalin dies early here, so Krushcev is just a top party member. One in a hundred. (Maybe in the '50s he has a chance, but certainly not in 1948-49)
- The communist party would not form Russia. Not in a million years and certainly not with elections. Why would they? They would loose every legitimacy with that. There are a lot of Russia equivalents. Imperial Russia, Siberia, Far Eastern Republic, Lokot Republic, even RK Moscowien if it is released. Without the communist ideology, they would not have a chance. Only a a partially democratic Soviet Union is believable.

>Used to writing Turkmenistan, forgot the spelling
>I was thinking of having that as a decision, not an event, I apologize for the confusion
>So when I revise this mind map, how do you think Khrushchev should become the leader?
> I can understand your point with your argument and I do slightly agree. I'm going to revise that section to see how I could make the Soviet Union be partially democratic without making it seem impossible.

 

[pakotorino]

With some changes i like your SU path @Polishruskie
Guys, can you provide a similar map also for Siberian Democratic Republic, Empire of Russia and Far Eastern Republic (and also for a winning Turkestan) ?
I think i could take some ideas for a complete revision of Soviet Area for future release.