Fatherland Mod - Codename : RESURGENT

[kalkkuna]

Hitler Death chain chaos is ok. SS power increased all the time and at this scenario SS should be very strong and dangerous. Hitler lost last contact of reality (after victory he can rest in fantasy world with Speer big build projects) and Dr Morell give good aid. Please add some crazy gigantic megalomanic Berlin build projects which ruin the economy

Historically Reich government was not centralized. There was multiple offices who try grab part of glory and win others. So it was real race in history and this scenario race might be ultimate?

 

[Arcangelus]

Talking about realism...
Why is the event 93007 (in the GER/Ukraine.txt) giving thanks (danke) to the increase of an ineffective policy? At the very least, the text of that event seem to suggest otherwise.
Why does Germany tolerate a left wing Italy?
Considering the mass-bombing that happened in Germany, Did really no one even suggest moving or building new industries east (for instance Ukraine, far beyond the range of allied bombers)?
On the same note, Was the project "Atlantic Wall" never conceive? I ask due to the apparent lack of important defenses on shore.

Also, I noted that the "Lifeline of West Europe" gets broken if Germany ask for assistance and either Italy or France refuse. Is intended?

EDIT: In my current game as Germany, Italy decided to leave the axis. So I, as a good megalomaniac, DOW them via event. At this moment I have half of mainland Italy plus Rome occupied, they have a ridiculous dissent (31% revolt risk in national provinces) and Bulgaria annexed, losing ground quickly. With all the above, they are suing for peace (but no via event, the other way). An event handling this situation (complete lost of the front lines) would probably be better, maybe with allied interference. I can write the event (or chain if wanted), but I need possibles scenarios (total annexation seems unlikely).

 

[Sechrima]

No thats just realistic. The Nazis were never good at making realistic plans. There were simply not enough willing settlers to remotely achieve Generalplan Ost.
And Hitler never really established a clear order of succsession, while almost the entire state was dependent on his orders. So IMO the chaos is actually even to weak, as there are no problems inside the "old" Germany.


The problem isn't so much that Germany is too weak, but that the US is too strong.
Since most of Europe and hence a big part of the industrialized world is cut off from the Americans, they should have a lot more economic troubles and the need to seek for trade relations elsewhere. Also they would probably continually have to intervene in South America to keep it free from Axis influence.

I disagree about the colonisation of the conquered eastern territories being unrealistic. Nazi Germany showed itself perfectly capable of fulfilling its wild 'fantasies'. It was a totalitarian state in which the Führer could direct his people to do things that would be unrealistic in a normal society. After the war, if the Nazis had wanted to rapidly increase the size of the German population, they very well could have. Already in the war the Nazis started breeding programmes for the expansion of the German nation. Groups like Lebensborn. The SS was intended to be as much a breeding programme as it was a police/military force. Scandinavia was basically going to be a huge pool of 'donors' for the cause of Aryan breeding. Not to mention all the blond Slavs and Slavicised Nords (i.e. descendants of Varangians) that would be kidnapped as children and integrated into the Reich as citizens. There were discussions about allowing polygamy for SS men, solely for the purpose of rapidly colonising the East.

We all know how much effort and funding the Nazis put into their genocidal projects. All of that and more could easily have been shifted into the Race and Settlement programmes after WWII. Of course it still would have taken a couple of decades, maybe even three or four. But Germany definitely could have colonised its Lebensraum effectively.

As for Hitler's line of succession, who's to say that he wouldn't have settled on a successor after winning the war? There was little point in choosing an 'heir' when it was so clear that Nazi Germany was doomed.

 

[keynes2.0]

Those ideas were still in the kicking around stage. I think the first proposal for the combined polygamy + orphanage program to reach Hitlers desk did so in 1943. Even if you assume the german population eagerly embraced the program (doubtful), you are still looking at 17 years and 9 months minimum before you have adults at military or workforce age, 18 years counting boot camp. And unless there were a lot of twins and triplets, most kids from the program wouldn't become useful for longer still. Since the game ends in 1964 a generation of germans that doesn't mature until 1963 isn't going to change the situation in the east very much.

 

[Sechrima]

Those ideas were still in the kicking around stage. I think the first proposal for the combined polygamy + orphanage program to reach Hitlers desk did so in 1943. Even if you assume the german population eagerly embraced the program (doubtful), you are still looking at 17 years and 9 months minimum before you have adults at military or workforce age, 18 years counting boot camp. And unless there were a lot of twins and triplets, most kids from the program wouldn't become useful for longer still. Since the game ends in 1964 a generation of germans that doesn't mature until 1963 isn't going to change the situation in the east very much.

Yeah, this is true. The fruits of colonisation would be reaped mostly in the mid- and late-60s. But massive slave labour in the East should be reflected in the game during the 40s and 50s. I would suggest lowering IC and manpower in eastern provinces, but giving Germany cores there much faster. That would represent German occupation/settlement and forced labour of the Slavs. The partisan activity and revolt risk is already appropriately intense.

 

[pakotorino]

Please add some crazy gigantic megalomanic Berlin build projects which ruin the economy

We might include some events in the next release

Why does Germany tolerate a left wing Italy?

A LW Italy is a bug, yet fixed

Considering the mass-bombing that happened in Germany, Did really no one even suggest moving or building new industries east (for instance Ukraine, far beyond the range of allied bombers)?

Could be an idea

On the same note, Was the project "Atlantic Wall" never conceive? I ask due to the apparent lack of important defenses on shore.
Also, I noted that the "Lifeline of West Europe" gets broken if Germany ask for assistance and either Italy or France refuse. Is intended?

I've to check

 

[EmperorWillham]

I disagree about the colonisation of the conquered eastern territories being unrealistic. Nazi Germany showed itself perfectly capable of fulfilling its wild 'fantasies'. It was a totalitarian state in which the Führer could direct his people to do things that would be unrealistic in a normal society. After the war, if the Nazis had wanted to rapidly increase the size of the German population, they very well could have. Already in the war the Nazis started breeding programmes for the expansion of the German nation. Groups like Lebensborn. The SS was intended to be as much a breeding programme as it was a police/military force. Scandinavia was basically going to be a huge pool of 'donors' for the cause of Aryan breeding. Not to mention all the blond Slavs and Slavicised Nords (i.e. descendants of Varangians) that would be kidnapped as children and integrated into the Reich as citizens. There were discussions about allowing polygamy for SS men, solely for the purpose of rapidly colonising the East.

We all know how much effort and funding the Nazis put into their genocidal projects. All of that and more could easily have been shifted into the Race and Settlement programmes after WWII. Of course it still would have taken a couple of decades, maybe even three or four. But Germany definitely could have colonised its Lebensraum effectively.

As for Hitler's line of succession, who's to say that he wouldn't have settled on a successor after winning the war? There was little point in choosing an 'heir' when it was so clear that Nazi Germany was doomed.

The army may have staged a coup to rid germany of nazism after winning the war.
However by winning the war, the Nazi party may have been too powerful to remove.

 

[UNSC Trooper]

Guys, I've been working on creating the possibility for Nationalist China, after victory against the Communists, to join the Axis. The possibility will be remote, but do you think it could serve as another flashpoint for WW3? The USA and the Soviet Union will certainly not accept an Axis Nat. China and will do whatever they can to tow it back to the Allied lines.

 

[Ericafaq]

There no german bussines for peasents with WWI rifles.Also Kaishek was much kind to USA side

 

[UNSC Trooper]

Yes, but in this timeline, the US is pretty Soviet and communist-friendly, and that's something Kai-Shek wouldn't tolerate. Plus, there was the Sino-German Friendship that lasted up until Japan's invasion of China. So the pro-Axis option for China should be there, but it should have little chance of success anyway.

 

[Ericafaq]

In this time line,USA and USSR "friends" like USA and Modjaheds durning soviet intervention to Afghan.USA need buffer to Germany who can hold some times Germans.Of course they will happy coup USSR or make something close in style.And Kaishek will never forget german betrayal after jap 37 invasion,when Von Valkenhausen and another german elite abandon China

 

[EmperorWillham]

So US-Reich Détente? Maybe when Nixon goes to Germany?

 

[Arcangelus]

A little bug: The file IRA.txt makes mention of a GERIRE flag, however it's never set. Probably was meant to be GERIRA (or vice versa)

As for Hitler's line of succession, who's to say that he wouldn't have settled on a successor after winning the war? There was little point in choosing an 'heir' when it was so clear that Nazi Germany was doomed.

Unlikely. We are talking about a paranoid megalomaniac that suffered several attempts on his life and kept a chaotic chain of command to avoid a concentration of power on anyone besides himself. Also, he provoked (and fostered) the infighting between his generals. Do you really believe that someone like him would leave a clear successor? Even if he did, that info would go to Martin Bormann (his secretary and spokesman), who could change it to whatever he wanted (and he wasn't exactly loved by the other high-commands).

 

[UNSC Trooper]

In this time line,USA and USSR "friends" like USA and Modjaheds durning soviet intervention to Afghan.USA need buffer to Germany who can hold some times Germans.Of course they will happy coup USSR or make something close in style.And Kaishek will never forget german betrayal after jap 37 invasion,when Von Valkenhausen and another german elite abandon China

Well, yes, you're right about that. I guess I can keep the pro-Axis option in the eventuality that Germany attempts to coopt Nationalist China into the Axis.

On a different note, should we rename "Allies" and "Axis" to "United Nations" and "Pact of Steel"? Seems more appropriate considering both alliances would attempt to grow out of their old generic names.

 

[EmperorWillham]

Well, yes, you're right about that. I guess I can keep the pro-Axis option in the eventuality that Germany attempts to coopt Nationalist China into the Axis.

On a different note, should we rename "Allies" and "Axis" to "United Nations" and "Pact of Steel"? Seems more appropriate considering both alliances would attempt to grow out of their old generic names.

Why Pact of Steel? Aren't they the axis of the world?!

 

[Ithron]

Played with Germany, nice! . The post-Hitler events where well done and immersive. What you did to push Germany to its knees in post-victory Europe is great. When the war with Eng & USA happened, I let the AI battle it out. And surprise, surprise, USA in the end won by 1956 .

 

[pakotorino]

The new Beta 4 version codename "Middle West" is online.
In the first page all the instructions and the download link.
All feedback are very appreciated.

 

[Zendiras]

A note for Hungary:
I would suggest you to recreate the country's government, because after the german occupy of Hungary in october of 1944, Horthy was captured by the germans and the hungarian Arrow Cross Party and Ferenc Szálasi became the "Nation Leader" (head of government and head of state in same time).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Panzerfaust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_National_Unity_(Hungary)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Szálasi

Anyway the mod is great, I am really grateful, you started it!

 

[UNSC Trooper]

The Arrow Cross Party only came to power because Horthy negotiated peace with the Allies because the Axis was losing the war. The Axis is victorious in this mod.

 

[warpedmind]

great to see after a hard day of work that my favourite mod besides KR got updated