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Whatever you do don't choose letter 'f'. I found myself salivating over the prospect of a 'defence' fleet remaining in one section of the ocean. There is no way that you can prevent that fleet from making contact with a larger US fleet at some point. Even with your considerable advantages in air power in the north sea...I'd hate to think of you losing a few ships (even for extended overhaul) because of a defensive posture. For this to be optimally successful, you'd need to pull one of your carrier fleets back to minimize the risk of losses...and you'd have a hard time sinking transports that way anyway. I just don't see the benefit (except to see me in action blasting futily away. :D ).

Personally I don't see how a landing anyplace other than Kiel could seriously affect the overal defence of Europe. Granted, it would cause you headaches, but no more than the Murmansk landings, which were repeated and in greater strength than I have reason to hope the US AI will ever make.

Thems my two cents...if I had more money I'd launch into a discussion of militia vs garrisons vs artillery units vs air power...but I'm still too much of a rookie at HOI2 to make any substantive conclusions on that score.

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a defence fleet seems like a good option, if you don't overdo it.
all that fleet needs to do is destroy transports, which are rather easy targets, IMHO.

as for land forces, I'd go for one mobile force for Northern France and belgium (with one inf/art in Ghent for early warning) , One for southern France, and get holland some inf/art in all beach provinces, 2 or 3 in each should do it, If you all let them support eachother.
As for Northwest germany, I'd use the same system as with holland

For air cover, I'd choose a TAC-squadron in Paris and one in amsterdam or wilhelmshaven, your choice.

for partisan suppression, use one garrison with MP for normal provinces, but use three (all with art) or two (with art)+1mil 43 (with art)

I think these options will be rather cost-effective
 

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Two Inf+Art in each province is more than enough, and it is everything else but cost effective. If you want to throw some manpower just to sit on the beaches go with 1Gar+1Mil both with art. Less manpower cost and garrisons will suppress partisans.
Also I don't think that using a fleet in this area is a good idea. Previous reports showed too many US BB and CV fleets. It will be better to counter them with airplanes.
Maybe staging a two line defense will be effective. First line should be aircover, second line some Gar+Mil and mobile reserve in Germany, Holland and some more in France (maybe 1 Mot Inf in each?). Hopefully the bombers will do enough damage to sink some of the ships the AI is throwing in the area. Complete air superiority, as AI has no airbase in range, is a great advantage and you should definitely benefit from it.
I was thinking if those subs, that sunk the soviet convoys can be put to interdiction mission around Norway beaches, as this area seems to be of no much interest for the AI. They can fend off any pure transport fleet that comes near.
 

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TheExecuterThat's a good point. I guess the defensive fleet option is actually completely pointless rather than just not very good.

squalleke123, DNG I think the force levels you are proposing are rather excessive but it looks like a nice mixture of different unit types is called for.
 

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Defensive Manoeuvres

The next phase of play starts with a variety of defensive manoeuvres centred around north west Europe. With my partisan settings set to slow decline after annexation the occupation forces in some areas are now semi-redundant and therefore about 10 divisions are being transferred from the East to the West. This includes a garrison for Kiel and several division destined for the British mainland.

As a side issue I have checked my IC loss to partisan activity and it looks to be around 6-7 IC total. A quick survey of high partisan level areas suggests that this is focused in Britain where base partisan levels are 24. In line with previous discussion of suitable defences I am going to build up a much higher level of garrison divisions in the UK to provide a partisan suppression role as well as defences.

I am hoping to bring another dozen or so regular infantry divisions west to carry out some unit swapping in Western Europe. There are several ex-Austrian divisions with zero experience that can be replaced by my standard divisions (all at least 20% experience) yielding a 10% improvement in combat power. These low-grade divisions should probably be disbanded and rebuilt when I can be bothered but for now they will go for airfield guarding duties behind the active fronts. Longer term airfield guards will all become militia divisions.

There are several brigades here as well. If I disband these then the manpower isn’t returned so it is all rather pointless doing so. I am tempted to disband them and edit the manpower back in so I can rebuild them as artillery (or something similar).

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nice to see you're going to use cost-effective militia to defend your airfields.
however, are they gaining profit of the standing army bonus too? I know high experience militia are a pain in the ass to defeat, so it's nice to get a jumpstart in their experience, right.

DNG's idea of a sub fleet defending the coast of norway seems nice, though I think a small Surface taskforce should do the trick too, albeit more expensive, but with more transport sinking power too
 
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squalleke123 said:
nice to see you're going to use cost-effective militia to defend your airfields.
however, are they gaining profit of the standing army bonus too? I know high experience militia are a pain in the ass to defeat, so it's nice to get a jumpstart in their experience, right.

DNG's idea of a sub fleet defending the coast of norway seems nice, though I think a small Surface taskforce should do the trick too, albeit more expensive, but with more transport sinking power too
They will gain the standing army bonus and since I'm only building model II they will be extremely effective as a defensive force. Their most important characteristic is massive cost saving in defending airfields from partisans so I no longer waste any frontline troops.

I'm afraid all the defensive fleet ideas are rather damaged by their effect in drawing the enemy forward. I should probably deploy them under intense air cover and see what can be achieved with air ambush tactics. This is, however, the sort of thing that has gone wrong before and resulted in ship losses. As it is I will be trying to go all summer without losing any ships.
 

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Barbaross II

We now enter a new phase of the war with the commencement of the second Russian campaign. The Russians have sought to take advantage of the outbreak of global war and now they must pay the price. The great mass of the army and substantial air forces are deployed against them concentrated in the zone east of the Volga.

Elsewhere we have a static defensive front in Persia with, hopefully, adequate forces to discourage any allied activity. They have substantial air support located in Persia and Oman providing good land and naval support along with enough interceptors to keep enemy air activity suppressed (aaah, optimism).

In Africa further German forces are operating on a broad front stretching all the way from the Horn of Africa to the far west coast. The German troops are sparse, lacking in air support and mostly with heavily depleted organisation. The offensive will continue but only until we meet significant opposition.

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03:00 May 8th 1941 dawn​

Against Russia the strategy is fairly simple but it requires a terrain map rather than political map to reveal the key factors and even then the swamp terrain is hard to make out. The larger part of our mobile forces are to pass eastwards south of the Urals and then spread out penetrating Russian territory in depth and exploiting the tactical situations that should arise to destroy Russian forces. The complete lack of Russian forces in Guriev (north Caspian coast) is due to an earlier attack supplemented by intense bombing. I have about 20 TAC squadrons and 12 CAS squadrons in theatre with another 16 TACs in Baku able to supplement the battle when there are enough active combat zones.

Substantial infantry forces are heading directly for the southern Urals to anchor our position against counter-attack from the north and crush all Russian forces congregating in the Urals. Forces passing to the east should be able to turn north and ultimately isolate the Urals allowing the Russian forces there to be encircled and destroyed.

The final strike is by mobile forces skirting the western edge of the Urals and attempting to isolate the northern half of the Russian front line. There are very limited German forces currently opposing these Russians and hence the Russians are able to advance north of the Volga and have even started a penetration in the centre. When it comes down to it they have no chance of achieving anything but a bit more room in the pocket they are going to form.

Beyond these initial attacks the campaign will have to develop in a opportunistic fashion as there are no great strategic opportunities to be had. We simply destroy their army and then plough on eastwards taking what we can as quick as we can.

Intelligence reports indicate the Russians have 204 infantry and 12 armoured divisions, 15 fighter squadrons and 4 bomber squadrons. This is significantly weaker than prior to the winter campaigns and indicates that our air attacks and the insanity around Murmansk have actually had a significant impact on Russian strength. More concerning is their current production levels which are running at 696 effective IC from 205 actual. This is a higher production level than Germany (currently 621) and could signal the creation of new divisions at a dramatic rate. They have also already researched Improved Infantry and are researching further improved grade units. This is an ominous warning for this summer suggesting that Germany is losing its technology lead in combat units and that major enemy powers will begin deploying equivalent forces.

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07:00 May 8th 1941​

An air interception over Persia illustrates the loss of technical lead with numerous US aircraft now being as advanced as ours. This particular batch is no immediate threat as they are passing by at low organisation levels but we should be expecting significant increases in aircraft losses. This encounter is probably a symptom of the increased air activity normally experienced just after a reload.

Allied ground forces adjacent to our frontline are beginning to build up and all provinces have dug in level that make routine bombing fairly pointless.

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07:00 May 8th 1941 b​

This air battle is definitely caused by the reload with what looks like the entire Russian air force having a pitched battle with 800 German interceptors. The Russian units are not all up to date but the two fighters are. Even so the enemy suffers much worse than we do and further Russian air activity is minimal.

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09:00 May 8th 1941​

In East Africa we have isolated a British division in Bathurst. In this theatre the destruction of one or two enemy divisions is a significant success and even though it contributes little to overall force levels it does allow further advances. These forces must, however, stay in the vicinity of Dakar until further security forces are brought forward as their supply lines remain extremely vulnerable.

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09:00 May 8th 1941 b​

To supplement the offensive to the north my Persian defence force is launching an attack on the Russian presence in Babol. The Russians are not particularly strong and the 16 TACs supporting more than make up for the mountainous terrain. This attack is part of operations to rapidly capture the nearer parts of Russian Central Asia.

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13:00 May 8th 1941​

The British immediately provide us with a tremendous opportunity for destroying another allied capital ship but rather amazingly it gets away whilst still afloat. Four hours combat in prime conditions with highly experienced crews and an expert leader and despite this 14 fleet carriers cannot sink a single battleship. Seems a bit rubbish to me.

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13:00 May 8th 1941 b​

We now have an air attack on three provinces on the far side of the Caspian. This offers no tremendous tactical advantage but they are the only provinces in range of my air base at Baku so it seemed like the Fallschirmjäger might as well do something useful to pass the time. Kasakka’s corps has some opposition to fight but they are no real challenge to our experienced troops and soon collapse when the air support arrives.

This does leave a pocket of German forces with no immediate supply source so the air transports are placed on supply drop duty round the clock. This proves amazingly ineffective to be does supply some residual level of supplies minimising the longer-term consequences. Unfortunately the advance in the south looks like taking forever.
 

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Maybe this second assault on Russia ought to be named the "Henry VI" offensive in honor of Barbarosa's son? ;)

As an air commander I am getting a little nervous. Especially when I see our tech advantage evaporating. I don't recall that we have short term plans to remedy the situation (or long term ones eother). I guess we will just have to buck up and muddle through...
 

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WhisperingDeath Sadly you are right to be a little nervous but only a little. Our tech advantage has evaporated for enemy major powers but not for the minor ones. Our air superiority is currently so overwhelming in all active theatres that there seems little need to address this just yet and I am trying to complete all in date techs that I know I will want before doing to much advanced tech. Summer 1941 is however the time for setting up the foundations of our future in turbojet aircraft.

squalleke123 Tech teams are still finishing off previous plans. As described a little earlier I am working on even more advanced computers and shortly will be working on 1943 infantry. A current major project is improved CVs (for the CAG upgrade). There will be a few research posts across summer 1941 giving guidance on progress.
 

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May 8th Tech​

Since there was a request for a technology update I thought I better show our current research with a little commentary. The computer tech was started due to analysis done earlier so that is already covered. Flying bomb development is there to open up secret weapons invention opportunities and because the rocket base makes it very cheap. Advanced air carrier gives me a CAG upgrade and actually increases CV firepower by 25% which is a well worthwhile bonus. The advanced air transport is to give Kasakka greater range for his air drops and the naval doctrine is simply because I need to build up my naval doctrines and I had the blueprint.

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May 8th Industry​

Industry is perhaps a little more interesting and is quite important for a before and after analysis at the end of the campaign. Resource supplies air at excellent levels with no realistic threat of running out of anything. Whilst oil is being drained the current rate gives me over 4,000 days supply so there is no realistic threat. Use of IC is well managed – the upgrades are the last few naval bombers – and I can easily spare far more IC from supplies. I am currently working along the principal that production should leave supply output close to positive and any need for reinforcements and upgrades can be covered by spending the supply stockpile. This stockpile is currently so vast that I can afford extended periods with no supply productions whatsoever so there is no need for any concern.

I suppose I should explain that the supply stockpile has occurred due to cutting back on production during Barbarossa. The manpower position was such that I didn’t want to deplete reserves in case they were needed for reinforcements and with existing production I was concerned about even starting a few more air units. This situation has changed now with significant manpower reserves built up and a significant increase in manpower income – current minister selections are optimised for manpower.

At the start of the campaign TC is under control with only a very small deficit but this can only get worse.

Russia, even after the bitter peace, has higher industrial output that I have. This is symptomatic of the entire game since other countries have even more outrageous production capability.
 

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05:00 May 9th 1941​

The British launch their usual rather strange night counter-attack with grossly inadequate (and unsupplied) forces with the usual predictable consequences. Mostly I won’t bother publishing these counter-attacks, as they are so feeble and irrelevant to the overall outcome. There are actually quite a few of them on all active fronts but I will generally only cover those that look like they may be some threat.

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09:00 May 9th 1941​

Further reload air activity gives us a picture of up to date aircraft flying for the Petal throne. This brings us to an estimate of about 40 modern fighters between them and the USA. This is a significant force fully capable of causing problems if they should accidentally be competently deployed. Not much chance of that though.

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16:00 May 9th 1941​

After 24 hours of reorganising the enemy in Bathurst is being finished off. This should be a temporary end to operations around Dakar until the central Saharan provinces are captured providing a safe back up supply route through the desert. This is a slightly strange concept but if the game lets me then I’m going to use the desert as a supply path.

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16:00 May 9th 1941 b​

With the Fallschirmjägers well established they can now move off with the objective of racing the motorised forces across the deserts of central Asia and establish positions on the Afghani border. In some ways this is very brave given the enemy force densities that they will be approaching but the process will take a long time and maybe some supplementary forces will arrive before they get there. The real objective is to race around and capture as many provinces as possible to start taking down the Russian economic juggernaut.

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06:00 May 10th 1941​

Out in the middle of the Indian Ocean naval engagements have commenced. This one knocks a couple more units of the Imperial fleet. I will post quite a few engagements but many minor ones will not be mentioned. I’m not sure how best to approach the final reporting of naval operations. I feel that there should be some accounting and some credit awarded but on the other hand it requires a lot of administration. With so many ships it is difficult to carry out any detailed reporting.

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06:00 May 10th 1941 b​

Closer in shore we get to massacre a small South African fleet. It continues to be a source of frustration that the carrier taskforces are unable to inflict massive damage on the enemy but they are otherwise fulfilling their role of control of the seas. There have still been no incursions from major enemy fleets into the Indian Ocean suggesting that conditions are promising for the deployment of amphibious operations within this naval theatre (ah, that optimism thing again).

This image also gives us a nice view of the defences of northern India. These appear to be quite strong with multiple divisions in each province even though they are well behind the front line. If the general defence of India is like this then amphibious operations against them is going to be unlikely if not completely out of the question (I hate to think what the USA looks like for coastal defenses)

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11:00 May 10th 1941​

The initial attacks were very quick victories, as expected, and all there is to do now is wait for my units to make progress through the somewhat slow provinces making up Asiatic Russia. Unfortunately the intervals between battles are growing larger already and further east they will get even longer. The advance here has taken barely 2.5 days for the faster units.

As usual the HQs race ahead of the rest of the ground forces but for a change the attached brigades help them stand their ground, with no apparent losses, for three hours until the rest of the mobile forces begin to arrive. I really should be more careful with the HQs but racing ahead is sometimes the right thing to do even if you cannot hold the ground. A more important issue is avoiding ending up with HQs with depleted org as this somewhat undermines their utility if they can no longer efficiently move forward.
 

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Were those American ships commanded by a Petal Throne admiral?!

Things appear to be progressing nicely on all fronts. How many units are in all of Africa at this point and when is the schedule for them to released for other duty?
 

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WhisperingDeath said:
Were those American ships commanded by a Petal Throne admiral?!

Things appear to be progressing nicely on all fronts. How many units are in all of Africa at this point and when is the schedule for them to released for other duty?
That battle was 2 US ships and 3 Petal Throne and hence the Petal Throne commander.

I'm afraid Africa isn't ending any time soon. It is currently using 32 divisions of which 24 are from the mobile forces (armour and motorised). This is 25% of our mobile forces with the other 75% in Russia except for one armoured division in Ireland.
 

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