I think that realistic and should be the story behind that mod. The cold war would be similar than US/USSR.
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In fact, i think India should be the leader of a 3rd allience. The Komintern have no more reasons to exist, and the new faction could represent a league of newly independent countries, and maybe some south American nations. To balance with the right-wing Axis, the new faction could be Social-Democrat (Gandhi in power). India have a good potential considering hight population and former British Indian Ocean fleet.
Can I join in as a Event Writer? I have a few suggestions for a couple of "cold war gets hot" events. For instance, German Ambassadors are discovered in Latin America. Thus we get this:
I love this idea, and you can count on some events at the very least from me. Thank you General_Grant, now lets all make sure we finish this!
Code:
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###### Von Manstien in South America
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event = {
id = 100000
random = no
country = USA
trigger = {
}
name = "EVT_100000_NAME"
desc = "EVT_100000_DESC"
style = 0
picture = "southamerica"
date = { day = 13 month = august year = 1948 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1964 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100000A"
ai_chance = 90
command = { type = end_guarantee which = USA where = HON }
command = { type = end_guarantee which = USA where = ARG }
command = { type = manpowerpool value = 40 }
command = { type = dissent value = -3 }
command = { type = trigger which = 100001 }
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME100000B"
ai_chance = 10
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
}
}I love this idea, and you can count on some events at the very least from me. Thank you General_Grant, now lets all make sure we finish this!
Im very happy to have you in the team! Events represent maybe 40% of the job, and i still have a few difficulties to write them. If you can handle the main event writing, it would be very cool. I'll request you to write the events i have in mind, and some others than work on a specific region will probably need you skill.
To everyone than want to work on a specific part of the project, you are welcome! Also need some specialist for regions, like some one who think about events for South America, Middle-East, etc.
To everyone than want to work on a specific part of the project, you are welcome! Also need some specialist for regions, like some one who think about events for South America, Middle-East, etc.
General_Grant said:
I like that idea but believe the Comiterm should survive, if only for modding potential. This si my take on what should be a basic outline of what each country is trying to achieve, I may throw in some idea's for Events:
South America: South America in this world it seems is vital to the Axis and Allies. The Axis need it as a strategic base for invasions and Nukes. The Allies need it for Manpower, safety of their flank, to keep the Germans out of America, and either as a base for nukes, or as an easy route to supply Free France/South Africa. Thus there would be a huge possibility for something in South America to flare up. There should be potential in Argentina for an Axis member, and a possibility for a war between Brazil and Argentina. Coups, Counter Coups and a potntial explosion are something that could be vital to making the game interesting. Thus, while it would be fun to ignore South America, this will be even funner.
The Comiterm: They should survive as an Alliance Bloc. Yet the fact is, they are now a minor alliance bloc, with little chance of making a difference. Thus, India should make the 3rd main Alliance Bloc, but the Soviet Union should be licking its wounds at the least. Stalin is probably dead or ousted from power, and the future of the Soviet Union relies on defeating the small Russian and Asian states around them 1 by 1. Thus a second Russian Civil War Event might be cool. Events for wars with Primorsk, and even further splitting of Russia would be awesome as well. Maybe a Communist Coup in China? The Comiterm are far from decisive anymore, but could still be a lot of fun for sure. I envision the U.S.S.R. going more Marxist than Stalinist at this point, or actual socialism or possibly Trotskeyism. The point is, due to Leftist Sympathies in Brazil, Mongolia, and China, Communism ain't dead yet.
The Middle East: No doubt coveted by the 3 Main Alliances, Germany should have Iraq and Persia as puppets, as historically they had large NS/Fascist Followings. I was thinking of a chain of events where Italy invades Saudi Arabia without German Support ala the Suez War. (Or with German help it doesn't matter much) Or we could make the Middle East a mostly Axis like Peninsula. India should be looking to the Middle East as a building block. The U.S. should look to it as a Nuke base and a place to cut the Axis Oil supplies. I have a few options for Saudi Arabia and the Middle East:
-Oman Allied with the Indians or Germans (due to owning of more land)
-Saudi Arabia a free Trade State under Italian or German Mandate.
-Iraq and Iran puppets of Germany, with an Event Chain for Afghanistan possibly.
-Possibly Portuguese and Spanish Colonies in the Middle East, given as a gift by Hitler to keep them loyal and not demanding more.
-Maybe a Vichy Colony in the Middle East?
Just a little food for thought. Its ultimately up to you. Tell me what you all think.
I think all that is good. For the Middle-East, i suggest the following map:
Italy have the Mediteranean shoreline (Mussolini's strange Roman Empire dream). Irak and Persia are German satellites, Kuwait is German. Portugal may have Socotra back (Islands in south of Arabia) and France Djibuti, their last colony in Africa with Algeria. Portugal, Germany, France and Italy have bases around 3 neutral states in Arabia, but India is very near. Socotra could also be Canadian (?!) as the British gave them before their fall. This would balance the game and give the Allies a base in the region.
Everyone feel free to give suggestions, it very needed as we are at first stages only.
Italy have the Mediteranean shoreline (Mussolini's strange Roman Empire dream). Irak and Persia are German satellites, Kuwait is German. Portugal may have Socotra back (Islands in south of Arabia) and France Djibuti, their last colony in Africa with Algeria. Portugal, Germany, France and Italy have bases around 3 neutral states in Arabia, but India is very near. Socotra could also be Canadian (?!) as the British gave them before their fall. This would balance the game and give the Allies a base in the region.
Everyone feel free to give suggestions, it very needed as we are at first stages only.
What do you mean by more Marxist? Like Maoism or something? The USSR will probably be too preoccupied with maintaining control of what little land it has left to make grandiose liberal reforms.
My two cents, the Soviet government may have been essentially decapitated during the war. Stalin has died and possibly his close confidants like Molotov have perished as well. The party has lost a lot of its authority and the military essentially has to take over the governing of the country. While they are taking this noble task upon their shoulders the military also wipes out a few troublesome elements (the NKVD, Beria, etc). A few minor party figures are in the politburo, but the army runs the show.
Suggested Soviet Cabinet:
HOS: Georgy Zhukov- Resigned Generalissimo *
HOG: Aleksandr Vasilevsky- Old General *
Foreign Minister: Ivan M. Maisky- Apologetic Clerk
Armaments Minister: Boris L. Vannikov- Military Entrepreneur
Minister of Security: Nikita Khrushchev- Man of the People *
Head of Military Intelligence: Andriy P. Panfilov- Logistics Specialist
Chief of Staff: Kirill A. Meretskov- School of Psychology
Chief of Army: Rodion Malinovskij- Armoured Spearhead Doctrine
Chief of Navy: Nikolai Kuznetsov- Decisive Naval Battle Doctrine
Chief of Air Force: Alexander Novikov - Air Superiority Doctrine
*Requires a new entry in the ministers file
ministers that should be slept
Beria
Semyon Ignatiev
Ivan Serov
My two cents, the Soviet government may have been essentially decapitated during the war. Stalin has died and possibly his close confidants like Molotov have perished as well. The party has lost a lot of its authority and the military essentially has to take over the governing of the country. While they are taking this noble task upon their shoulders the military also wipes out a few troublesome elements (the NKVD, Beria, etc). A few minor party figures are in the politburo, but the army runs the show.
Suggested Soviet Cabinet:
HOS: Georgy Zhukov- Resigned Generalissimo *
HOG: Aleksandr Vasilevsky- Old General *
Foreign Minister: Ivan M. Maisky- Apologetic Clerk
Armaments Minister: Boris L. Vannikov- Military Entrepreneur
Minister of Security: Nikita Khrushchev- Man of the People *
Head of Military Intelligence: Andriy P. Panfilov- Logistics Specialist
Chief of Staff: Kirill A. Meretskov- School of Psychology
Chief of Army: Rodion Malinovskij- Armoured Spearhead Doctrine
Chief of Navy: Nikolai Kuznetsov- Decisive Naval Battle Doctrine
Chief of Air Force: Alexander Novikov - Air Superiority Doctrine
*Requires a new entry in the ministers file
ministers that should be slept
Beria
Semyon Ignatiev
Ivan Serov
That sounds balanced, but I think the Vichy regime should at least have Lebanon (and or Syria) due to already extensive colonization. Thats just my suggestion, I think your idea works well as well. I like the balanced solutions, I do think the Allies need one base in range of Saudi Arabia at the least.
Nice idea's, look forward to others.
Nice idea's, look forward to others.
Marxism, read Karl Marx creator of the whole theory of Communism. Different in that it isn't as oppressive, but still would probably end up bad. It would take way too long to explain the whole theory.
I doubt the Soviet Military would have been able to keep control very long. I think this new regime should be ultra repressive if Army run. A Coup by Peasants even probable. So I propose a Event Chain for an attempt at rebuilding the U.S.S.R. via a coup de tat' You make very good points however. I like feedback, and I'm not the biggest expert or anything, so thanks for the response. I don't think a state under total Marshal Law would be allowed to live for long with the climate of Cold War.
I will post your event a little later by the way.
The non aligned states movement led by India is interesting, but there aren't going to be too many recently liberated colonies around to fuel that kind of movement. The allies will desperately hold on to what few colonies they have left and the Axis aren't going to let their new prizes go too easily. African independence movements will have even more problems to deal with than in real life. The USA may not be too keen on ending the colonial empires in Africa in this reality. The USSR's ideological challenge put pressure on the US Government which lead to its support for ending colonialism abroad and ending segregation at home. Will the US feel such pressure in this time line?
The socialist Bloc gave a lot of moral support to Blacks in the US for various reasons. The occasional Black political activist would flee to socialist countries. This won't really be an option for them as there is no communist bloc. People like Paul Robeson probably aren't going to go visit the Nazis and pick up their Hitler peace prizes for activism. Maybe instead of little Red books Black Panthers will hand out Ghandi inspired pamphlets or something.
The socialist Bloc gave a lot of moral support to Blacks in the US for various reasons. The occasional Black political activist would flee to socialist countries. This won't really be an option for them as there is no communist bloc. People like Paul Robeson probably aren't going to go visit the Nazis and pick up their Hitler peace prizes for activism. Maybe instead of little Red books Black Panthers will hand out Ghandi inspired pamphlets or something.
You should also have a possible war between Nationalist China and Turkestan over the future of Xinjiang. In real life the Soviets supported an insurrection in 1944. Now in your alternate history they would not do so but the same ethnic groups in the Soviet Union (Kazakhs, etc) would be around to do so. What tag are you using for Turkestan? As for files for Turkestan files (ministers, leaders, teams) you can just snatch some from my Liberators mod and use them with whatever tag you like. I assume "Empire of China" uses Manchukuo with Mengjiang teams, leaders and ministers added, right? You might also add Shanxi leaders.
A strong Islamic bloc is also a real possibility.
A strong Islamic bloc is also a real possibility.
Brazil should be a small focal point as well. Vargas was hard to trust, perhaps a coup or an even funner Civil War? We obviously are going to need to use the User Defined tags.
Sounds great to me! Perhaps a war between the two China's in competition over Korea or something.
The Chinese Civil War could be very fun, especially if Mao or someone else reemerged. Of course this is all food for thought.
Sounds great to me! Perhaps a war between the two China's in competition over Korea or something.
The Chinese Civil War could be very fun, especially if Mao or someone else reemerged. Of course this is all food for thought.
Lenin and Stalin probably saw themselves as perfectly Marxist. Having read some of Marx's work I don't see how one could say that Stalin and Lenin deviate significantly from Marx's ideas. That being said Marx wrote a lot more about capitalism than about how this magic future society free from want and oppression would come about.
A peasant rebellion wouldn't have lasted long, Vlaslov or whoever Hitler has running “Russia” would have gobbled up whats left of Russia. Only a repressive military regime could keep order in that rump state, which has already lost the vast bulk of its territory and resources. Only the military could have any hope of having the prestige to give orders and the powers to make sure these orders are followed.
The regime will probably be an economic basket case, but it will survive for a time at least.
A peasant rebellion wouldn't have lasted long, Vlaslov or whoever Hitler has running “Russia” would have gobbled up whats left of Russia. Only a repressive military regime could keep order in that rump state, which has already lost the vast bulk of its territory and resources. Only the military could have any hope of having the prestige to give orders and the powers to make sure these orders are followed.
The regime will probably be an economic basket case, but it will survive for a time at least.
True that.
Agreed. How about this:
Since their would have been Border clashes between the SU and Russia, and a probable border dispute, this should have a chance of igniting into a serious conflict.
The Events unfold like this:
-Russia and the Soviets have a serious Border Clash.
-Russia asks for Hitlers support in killing the SU: My thoughts are Hitler wouldn't have directly intervened due to the need of Military forces to snipe out Partisans in his area, but would have strongly backed it economically.
-Russia attempts to make a deal with the Empire of China and Primorsk (and possibly Mongolia) to cut up the Soviet Union.
-The Soviet Union requests NATO (or whatever its called) assistance after DOW.
-SU is either defeated or forces Hitlers direct intervention.
Just a possibility.
If you could give me some idea's for Events that would be good. Thanks!
Screaming-Eagle said:
Thats a good idea. If SOV does well enough, then Germany will have to decide whether to get involved in the war against the Soviets or to let their puppet fall. This could be the start of a Vietnam war type of situation for the Germans. We may want to get nukes out of the mod or something though because if ai Germany got into a war on behalf of RUS they'd just nuke SOV and that'd be that. Hell maybe Hitler would do something like that, though.
Because of the Nazi racial ideology, a lot of Slavic refugees have probably been pushed into what remains of the USSR. Its possible that the bulk of the populations of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and European Russia have been pushed into SOV territory. Man power values should be decreased in parts of Eastern Europe and increased in SOV and RUS. A SOV that overruns RUS could gain claims on the USSR plus Poland as the military regime begins to dabble in pan slavism to increase recruits.
If communist China isn't around as a playable nation at the start of the scenario, then Lin Biao and Mao as well as a few other generals could be in the SOV army. They'd have nowhere else to go besides the gallows and the SOV leadership probably wouldn't turn down volunteers. Should the SOV's beat RUS, they may have an opportunity to help their allies return to China, but they would probably be hesitant to do so. They've got a lot on their plate.
The Germans had at one time planned to turn Madagascar into a “homeland” for the Jews. The Soviets created a Jewish autonomous region in Birobadjhan (though it never was majority Jewish). There will be no Israel in the Axis mid east, but it is possible that it may show up in Birobadjhan or Madagascar. Alternatively, some Israeli leaders may wind up in the SOV and or US leader pools.
First things first. We need a scenario--the scenario file isn't that much of a deal. What is important is all the details that go into the inc files. The way to get all that is if someone would kindly load up as Germany in 41 GC, use whatever cheats you have to use and play up to 48, generating the map with appropriate control. Then post a savegame. Then we can rock and roll. Are there any volunteers for a savegame? Should be an experienced Germany player, which I am not.
I entirely agree with you, nomonhan. Lets go with 1941, trigger the Soviet and British surrender events, use frequent reload as any nation, trade provinces, work deep in the savefile (Im not the best for that, beleive me!!).
Would a volunteer could do that?
Also the normal bitter pace event scede west of Urals to Germany. It need to give back the region between the Volga and the Urals to RUS, wich would be released trough magic or something... Vichy France need to get the rest of France, need to release Greater Flanders, Croatia, etc..
Im very happy to see all thoses ideas. But the first thing to do is to build something and then improve it.
Would a volunteer could do that?
Also the normal bitter pace event scede west of Urals to Germany. It need to give back the region between the Volga and the Urals to RUS, wich would be released trough magic or something... Vichy France need to get the rest of France, need to release Greater Flanders, Croatia, etc..
Im very happy to see all thoses ideas. But the first thing to do is to build something and then improve it.
Core provinces for Dietsland numbers behind the names are the id's
Europe
Already in possession:
Amsterdam 47
Leeuwarden 78
Groningen 79
Arnhem 77
Utrecht 48
Rotterdam 46
Eindhoven 49
Antwerp 50
Ghent 45
Brussels 51
Dunequerke 43
Lille 44
Calais 18 (dont know if we should use this one but the guys from mod 33 used it and there French so they know i think )
Caribbean
Inposession:
Curacao 801
Paramaribo 874
Claimable/got afther axis victory :
Cuyuni 871
Georgetown 873
Cayenne 875
Asia:
Dutch east indies ???
The one already in the game maybe ? or is this lost to America /independent Indonesia ? oh yeah was lost sorry but we'll get it back
Claimable :
Tasmania 1729
Trincomalee 1516
Colombo1517
South Africa:
Claimable :
Cape town 1116
Springbok 1115
Port Elisabeth 1117
Kimberly1114
Johannesburg 1120
East London 1118
Durban 1119
Pretoria 1121
Mafeking ?? 1113 ???
Or make southafrica puppet from Holland with a dutch province in cape town
got the id's from lord ederon's site it has great information for modding so maybe pay a visit http://www.ederon.net/
Shipnames
Light cruisers : named after islands
Java
Sumatra
Celebes
Texel
Schiermonickoog
Terschelling
Vlieland
Ameland
Schouwen
Duiveland
Walcheren
Beveland
Tholen
Voorne
Putten
Goeree
Flakee
Nieuw-Guinea
Battleships afther dutch provinces
Holland
Zeeland
Friesland
Groningen
Gelderland
Brabant
Overijsel
Utrecht
limburg
Drenthe
Vlaanderen
carriers
De Ruyter The most famous dutch naval hero
Zeven Provinciën former flagship of De Ruyter and
vliegende hollander flying dutchmen
Anton mussert The new dutch fuhrer
Cornellis van Geelkerken secretarie of the party
Meinout Rost van Tonningen famous dutch nazi
Staf de Clerq famous flamish nazi
Hendrik steyffardt famous dutch nazi and symbolic leader of the first dutch
Eastern front volunteer group
heavy cruisers after dutch admirals
Tromp
Jacob van heemskerck
Piet Hein
Evertsen
Van Ghent
Kortenaer
Van Galen
Witt de With
Banckert
Van Nes
Isaac Sweers
Tjerk Hiddes
Gerard Callenburgh
Phillips van Almonde
Van Kinsbergen
escort cariers afther sea’s, lakes, and rivers
IJselmeer
Waddenzee
Noordzee
Rijn
IJsel
Waal
Maas
Schelde
Grevelingen
battlecruisers
Eendracht unity
Gouden Leeuw golden lion
Kijkduin place of a famous naval batlleground
Moed currage
Trouw loyalty
Eer honor
Plicht duty
Aanval attack
Reserve names for all:
dutch and flamish cities
Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Antwerpen
Gent
Brussel
‘s Gravenhage
Arnhem
Nijmegen
Maastricht
Brugge
Leeuwarden
Assen
Mechelen
Genk
Eindhoven
Tilburg
Dordrecht
For the destroyers and submarines the normal dd names are quite good
oh have some ideas for events but not quite a good event writer
Europe
Already in possession:
Amsterdam 47
Leeuwarden 78
Groningen 79
Arnhem 77
Utrecht 48
Rotterdam 46
Eindhoven 49
Antwerp 50
Ghent 45
Brussels 51
Dunequerke 43
Lille 44
Calais 18 (dont know if we should use this one but the guys from mod 33 used it and there French so they know i think )
Caribbean
Inposession:
Curacao 801
Paramaribo 874
Claimable/got afther axis victory :
Cuyuni 871
Georgetown 873
Cayenne 875
Asia:
Dutch east indies ???
The one already in the game maybe ? or is this lost to America /independent Indonesia ? oh yeah was lost sorry but we'll get it back
Claimable :
Tasmania 1729
Trincomalee 1516
Colombo1517
South Africa:
Claimable :
Cape town 1116
Springbok 1115
Port Elisabeth 1117
Kimberly1114
Johannesburg 1120
East London 1118
Durban 1119
Pretoria 1121
Mafeking ?? 1113 ???
Or make southafrica puppet from Holland with a dutch province in cape town
got the id's from lord ederon's site it has great information for modding so maybe pay a visit http://www.ederon.net/
Shipnames
Light cruisers : named after islands
Java
Sumatra
Celebes
Texel
Schiermonickoog
Terschelling
Vlieland
Ameland
Schouwen
Duiveland
Walcheren
Beveland
Tholen
Voorne
Putten
Goeree
Flakee
Nieuw-Guinea
Battleships afther dutch provinces
Holland
Zeeland
Friesland
Groningen
Gelderland
Brabant
Overijsel
Utrecht
limburg
Drenthe
Vlaanderen
carriers
De Ruyter The most famous dutch naval hero
Zeven Provinciën former flagship of De Ruyter and
vliegende hollander flying dutchmen
Anton mussert The new dutch fuhrer
Cornellis van Geelkerken secretarie of the party
Meinout Rost van Tonningen famous dutch nazi
Staf de Clerq famous flamish nazi
Hendrik steyffardt famous dutch nazi and symbolic leader of the first dutch
Eastern front volunteer group
heavy cruisers after dutch admirals
Tromp
Jacob van heemskerck
Piet Hein
Evertsen
Van Ghent
Kortenaer
Van Galen
Witt de With
Banckert
Van Nes
Isaac Sweers
Tjerk Hiddes
Gerard Callenburgh
Phillips van Almonde
Van Kinsbergen
escort cariers afther sea’s, lakes, and rivers
IJselmeer
Waddenzee
Noordzee
Rijn
IJsel
Waal
Maas
Schelde
Grevelingen
battlecruisers
Eendracht unity
Gouden Leeuw golden lion
Kijkduin place of a famous naval batlleground
Moed currage
Trouw loyalty
Eer honor
Plicht duty
Aanval attack
Reserve names for all:
dutch and flamish cities
Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Antwerpen
Gent
Brussel
‘s Gravenhage
Arnhem
Nijmegen
Maastricht
Brugge
Leeuwarden
Assen
Mechelen
Genk
Eindhoven
Tilburg
Dordrecht
For the destroyers and submarines the normal dd names are quite good
oh have some ideas for events but not quite a good event writer
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I'll play through the 41 scenario and post what I can. I'll use Flanders' tag for Dietsland, Manchuria for the Chinese Empire, and U00 for Turkestan. I'll post a saved game later this week. I'll release the transurals republic and then create an event to change them into Russia and add claims on the areas needed. Same with primorsk, etc.
What will the status of former Dutch and Vichy lands in the Caribbean be? I assume that the US and Canada would probably have seized these lands. Perhaps the US controls Curaco and Canada controls Suriname?
I'll send what I have later. Oh, whats the event code for changing a nation to another btw?
What will the status of former Dutch and Vichy lands in the Caribbean be? I assume that the US and Canada would probably have seized these lands. Perhaps the US controls Curaco and Canada controls Suriname?
I'll send what I have later. Oh, whats the event code for changing a nation to another btw?