Fatherland- Alternate history Cold War for HoI2 & DD

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If I was Hitler who just won ww2, I would create a succesion chain that didnt have himmler or gorning in it. Gorning was made fun of and called a pig by Hitler and for Himmler, I would Purge Major SS ranks and make the Waffen SS a Euporean Union type armed force and remove its major presense in everyday life. Gobbels would make sence as head of government due to his status and Bormann would have a high ranking position as long as after the war he become more into the german media.

As for the Empire of China, I wouldnt think it couldnt last more than 10 years even with the japense army. Communists and Nationalists would be in open rebellion all the time, bad economy and a generation of people still young enough to remeber the old imperial days.

question: What is your plans for starting a world war in game.

 

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Hi guys. I haven't enough free time to read all posts and I want to ask you is this mod ready for download and if it is from where can I download it

 

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Hi guys. I haven't enough free time to read all posts and I want to ask you is this mod ready for download and if it is from where can I download it

It's not ready yet.

 

[unmerged(68249)]

It's not ready yet.

Ok

 

[Warpimp]

Not to pee in anyone's kool-aid, but, why does Italy have africa? The axis surrender in north africa was on May 13th 1943, before the ahistorical turning point. That would give a reason for free france to still exist and maybe possibilites for an independent, maybe even united middle east. Maybe you could have an puppet eqypt under Churchill's canada. Also, have you thought about making the commonwealth one country? Maybe organised after the war to prepare for the next? Just some ideas, great sounding mod-looks like this one will see fruition too!

 

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I also think that itali have no power to hold the huge ara.
they sugket in agypt why schould they didnt in bigbig africa against good organiced big frefrance

 

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I also think that itali have no power to hold the huge ara.
they sugket in agypt why schould they didnt in bigbig africa against good organiced big frefrance

I suggest you improving your writing-style.It can cause a head-ache.

 

[Lord Finnish]

EDIT: nvm i found the answer

 

[ozman2]

Not to pee in anyone's kool-aid, but, why does Italy have africa? The axis surrender in north africa was on May 13th 1943, before the ahistorical turning point. That would give a reason for free france to still exist and maybe possibilites for an independent, maybe even united middle east. Maybe you could have an puppet eqypt under Churchill's canada. Also, have you thought about making the commonwealth one country? Maybe organised after the war to prepare for the next? Just some ideas, great sounding mod-looks like this one will see fruition too!

Some of the ideas are actually General Grant's own and not in the book to make the game more interesting, so i'd suggest you PM him. Case in point--I don't believe Two Chinas are in the book but that is a key part of the mod.

 

[raider75]

I like the idea of a powerfull Italy in the Med. it creates the possibility for tension with the Germans and the French. There could possibly be a string of events that lead to a conflict between Vichy and Italy over Algeria (Tunis and N. Algeria were part of Roman Empire) this would make things a little more interesting for Germany, which side should the German player choose? But I also think that Italy has too large a foot print in the Middle East, it would possibly liven things up a bit if there were many small succesor states in the Middle East (this would make it possible for the U.S. Reich, and Italy play little proxy wars, shaking things up a bit). I also think that a puppet Russia is a bad thing for Gameplay, a relatively strong Soviet Union that is reliant upon American aide would be a nice touch, having them conduct a constant war of Attrition with the Germans in the Urals would add some flavor for the game. But I am definatley for a 'Revisionist Rome' that has a new EXTREMELY nationalist leader that takes proactive steps to reacuire the lost Roman Empire by expanding into Spain, France, Turkey, and the Mid-East. This foreign policy by the Italians would obviosuley be in direct opposistion of the Reich, Germany should hold a weak stance on the Italian Aggression due to it's involvement in the Urals and the Cold War against the U.S. Also the U.S. should extend MASSIVE amounts of Lend-Lease programs to the remaining Allied powers (i.e. Free France, British Commonwealth Nations, Soviet Union etc.) this would compensate for these nations relative weak posistions and would allow them to constitute a real menance to the Reich. Also a string of Proxy Wars between all the Major Super Powers and Emerging Super Powers (Italy) would be interesting to see. And possibly a Communist revolutionary movement in Vichy France that is created in reaction to Germany's dominance and mounting Italian Aggression. Also a possible economic recession in Germany to symbolize difficulty in demobilization after the main conflict, this would at least cut back on German military developement and keep the Reich from developing into a 500 division Power House, also possibly some events for Germany restricting the size of the Army to resonable sizes to simulate the German People's restlessness at the constant mobilization.

Just a few ideas that I think would add to the game and make it a little more difficult to play as the Reich (which under current game situation would be way too easy to play as and relatively boring).

 

[Warpimp]

Another great Idea would be to cut the oil production in the us and increase it to more realistic levels in the middle east, making them a HUGE source of international issues like in real life. Maybe put them with the third alliance to make things interesting.

 

[General_Grant]

We have got interesting suggestions there!

First- Italy have a kind of 'mandate' over the Middle-East (like France & Britain after the first war). The player, trough events, will have different choices to make about the occupation policy. Puppet states? Military occupation? Integration in the new Roman Empire?

About the Italian victory in Egypt- note than in our alternate history:
-In 1940 France surrender and Germany begin the Blitz in Britain, Italy join the war and push in Egypt.
-In 1941 the Blitz continue, operation Sea Lion is preparing. The Italians are not stoped by the British, wich fear a landing in the British Ilses.
-In 1942-43 the German sub fleet starve Britain and force it to finally surrender, sceding some territories to the Axis.
-1944 After a period of anarchy the British fascists take the control of Britain, the colonies, many ministers, and a part of the Royal Navy defect to Canada (free Commonwhealt).

This explain why Italy own a such great part of Africa. The united 'Free Commonwhealt' idea is very interesting, i'll suggest the idea to the team.

About Russia- the state called 'Russia' is not a German puppet. Its more a Russian faction wich regroup anti-communists: a mix of democrats, fascists and monarchists.

Yes, the US would probably send masses of supplies and various help to any country than may oppose a resistence to the Reich. Internal dissent and crisis would keep the Germans quiet. They will probably get a little peacetime modifier to simulate demobilisation.

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As nomonhan said, some of the Mod's concempts are not from the book but from mine. The two Chinas are a pure invention of myself.

 

[Warpimp]

This looks like a really great mod! I wish I had some modding skill and I would help. But if you ever need playtesters-count me in!

 

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Sorry if it's been stated, but does this mod tie into the novel Fatherland? I'm reading it right now and enjoying it very much.

 

[Lafayette53]

Sorry if it's been stated, but does this mod tie into the novel Fatherland? I'm reading it right now and enjoying it very much.

It does, but a lot of it is independent thought from its creators.

 

[raider75]

I really think the potential for an Italian vs. German confrontation would be extremely beneficial to game play. It would add another thorn in the back of the Reich that actually poses a significant threat to the stability of the new order. I think the two Russia's is an interesting idea but I don't think that it would be very beneficial to the gameplay of the MoD, fighting a divided enemy is much easier than fighting a unified one. I still am a firm proponent of a unified Soviet Union that is still relatively strong enough to wage a long protracted guerilla war with Germany. To accomplish this you could possibly incorporate the CORE MODS system of division types. Also it would possibly be beneficial at looking into utilizing the Weapons sales system that the COLD WAR mod was reported to be developing.

 

[General_Grant]

We are actually elaborating some support events concepts, based on US' lend-lease shipements and Spanish civil war interventions. The divided Russia represent the fact than a totalitarian communist power can't get out of the war without any several internal crisis, and reunification events are planned to end the 2nd Russian civil war. The Soviets have a an adventage and can win this war without real difficulty.

Italy aganist Germany would be sure interesting but also almost unpossible to have really happened. As Italy win the war entirely because of German help, they can't oppose to their domination, and the Germans need Italy to secure the Mediteranean and their southern front.

 

[raider75]

Exactly, but now that the war is over Italy would begin to turn it's attention towards rebuilding the old Roman Empire, you could implement a series of events similair to the British appeasement policy of the late 1930's towards Germany, but for Italy as the aggressor and Germany as the appeaser. Italy would not like to remain under German domination for very long, possibly have some 're-armament' events for Italy to modernize and expand it's military?

 

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If you really wanted to, you could have a proxy war with German Croatia and Italian Serbia (if those are puppets of them other, I'm not sure).

 

[Warpimp]

I have to second on the notion of german and italian tension. I especially with a complex event chain it could add a lot of replayability to the mod.