Fatherland- Alternate history Cold War for HoI2 & DD

[General_Grant]

I agree. Maybe 10-20 IC more to USSR?

 

[unmerged(62281)]

Greetings to all, I was recovering Internet since I am in Mexico.

For the British flag, I wanted to propose an Union Jack with Cross-of-Saint-Patrick removed, but it's yet online. But, for the symbol in the center, why don't use a Celtic Cross? I think it's impossible because it's by now a Neo-Nazi symbol and also, more appropriate to fascist Ireland.

For Finland, I wanted to propose a democratic republic, which only join the Axis to fight USSR. And I'm quite reserved to attribuate Leningrad to Finnish people: it's a too important city for them, isn't it?

 

[Fulmen]

I have just readed your post and i think having a responsible for greater finland would be usefull.

Greater Finland​

Was about it?

Yes that was about it, except that the southest province of Estonia should also be included. The Wikipedia map erronously uses the illegal post-1944 borders of Estonia (after Stalin decided to occupy 5% of Estonia). The Wikipedia map doesn't include Livonia and Arkhangelsk but I've taken a screenshot of what I think should maybe be Greater Finland.

Okay so the blue is what should at least be Greater Finland. Black obviously is Estonia and green is the area that should be part of Finland if Estonia is. The yellow area can be part of Finland in case green is (which in turn requires Estonia first). They must be in this order because it wouldn't make sense to have the yellow area without the green and black, not to mention how stupid it would look on the map.

There are other options though, like stripping Greater Finland to just Eastern Karelia, the Kola peninsula, parts of northern Ingria (which can't really be shown on the map because of the province sizes but could be shown as increasing manpower in the Viipuri province) and the main pre-WWII Finland (obviously), but I prefer the one in my map with all colours included.

Sorry for the image being a bit big.

EDIT: In the case Estonia is a puppet, maybe Estonia should get Livonia (so that it'd be a sort of Greater Estonia) while Finland would still get the other three green provinces outside Livonia and all the blue and yellow ones. Actually if the formal is true, maybe Livonia could be a 2nd puppet? Or perhaps Estonia could form a union with them? Renaming Estonia to something like "Estonia and Livonia", like there is the real-world Bosnia & Herzegovina, and giving it the Livonian provinces. Maybe some new ministers if possible, etc.

About Finland being part of the Axis: In our world she never was, and it is highly probable that even if Germany would have won and Finland would have become a Greater Finland, we still wouldn't have joined the Axis. Although having very good relations with Germany and the rest of the Axis, as well as being the leading economic power in northern "Neuropa" (New Europe) I doubt Finland would have seen it necessary to join the military alliance. In case of a new war, it could be done.. Although it is possible that in this case Finland would stay neutral but maybe send volunteer forces, expeditions etc. to Germany's aid. This depends on what kind of a war this new one would be. Let's say Russia rolls through the German-occupied Russia in the north to the borders of Greater Finland and becomes a serious threat to Greater Finland, then there would be a higher probability for Finland to join the Axis.

Maybe there could be an event in the game where you can decide if you sign the contract making you (Finland) part of the Axis after WWII or not. Of course there must be effects on your decisions in this matter. Say, you choose to join the Axis: you get some blue prints for some of the newer weapons of war, like the helicopter. But if you choose not to join the Axis: you could get a little bit of relations minus with Germany but some bonus in other things. Not too much reducing of relations points though. After all, Finland has already been just co-belligerent for years by now and Finland declining the invitation wouldn't make Germany too disappointed in case this event happens in peace time. There could be a seperate invitation event to join the Axis in case there is war with some particular nation. And if you decline this invitation then it would have a worse impact on your relations with Germany than if you'd decline it in peace time. Of course you'd get some other bonus if you accept the invitation event during war than if you would in in peace (I know the word "peace" is getting repetetive, but don't worry, you're almost at the end of the post). This would give the player more options on when to join the Axis and if to do it via event or not join at all. I think that's a better solution than making Finland start the game as Axis.

P.S Yes, the picture was modified with Paint. lol

 

[ozman2]

Hi, I just wanted to let you know I'm still alive and doing work. I have improved tech teams and leaders files for Vichy France, and have been doing work on the closely related Indochinese leaders and tech teams, so that the French generals can be taken out of the Indochina files and added to Vichy, which is in this alternate timeline a major player.
I will also post Empire of China stuff soon, and assemble things into a packet.
It turns out that the only way to play the posted savegame is to load as Nationalist China so they don't gobble up Sinkiang and Tibet. I'll do that too but it will take time.

Here's a sample of the Vichy tech teams:
VIC;Name;Pic Name;Skill;Start Year;End Year;Speciality1;Speciality2;Speciality3;Speciality4;Speciality5;Speciality6;Speciality7;Speciality8;Speciality9;Speciality10;Speciality11;Speciality12;Speciality13;Speciality14;Speciality15;Speciality16;Speciality17;Speciality18;Speciality19;Speciality20;Speciality21;Speciality22;Speciality23;Speciality24;Speciality25;Speciality26;Speciality27;Speciality28;Speciality29;Speciality30;Speciality31;Speciality32;x
6601;Amiot;T1401;6;1930;1970;aeronautics;electronics;chemistry;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6603;Dewoitine;T1403;4;1930;1970;aeronautics;electronics;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6604;FAMH;T1404;4;1930;1970;mechanics;training;electronics;general_equipment;artillery;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6607;Kuhlmann;T1407;3;1930;1970;chemistry;industrial_engineering;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6608;Manufacture d'Armes St.Etienne;T1408;5;1930;1970;mechanics;artillery;general_equipment;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6611;Rhône-Poulenc;T1411;3;1930;1970;chemistry;industrial_engineering;general_equipment;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6613;Schneider;T1413;4;1930;1970;artillery;mechanics;technical_efficiency;electronics;chemistry;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6614;SNPA;T1414;4;1941;1970;industrial_engineering;chemistry;management;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6615;SOMUA;T1415;5;1930;1970;mechanics;industrial_engineering;electronics;technical_efficiency;artillery;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6617;François Darlan;T1418;3;1930;1942;large_taskforce_tactics;naval_training;centralized_execution;seamanship;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6619;Marcel Gensoul;T1420;4;1930;1942;large_taskforce_tactics;naval_training;seamanship;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6621;Maurice Gamelin;T1422;1;1930;1940;centralized_execution;large_unit_tactics;individual_courage;infantry_focus;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6622;Maxime Weygand;T1423;2;1940;1942;centralized_execution;large_unit_tactics;individual_courage;infantry_focus;combined_arms_focus;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6630;École Spéciale Militaire de St-Cyr;T1431;4;1946;1970;centralized_execution;decentralized_execution;large_unit_tactics;infantry_focus;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
6631;École Polytechnique;T6631;4;1946;1970;management;chemistry;mechanics;mathematics;industrial_engineering;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
6632;Joseph Darnand;T6632;4;1943;1970;individual_courage;decentralized_execution;small_unit_tactics;combined_arms_focus;training;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
6633;Renault;T705;5;1947;1970;mechanics;industrial_engineering;general_equipment;management;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6634;Solvay;T706;7;1947;1970;chemistry;industrial_engineering;mathematics;management;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6635;Arsenal de Brest;T1402;6;1947;1970;naval_engineering;naval_artillery;general_equipment;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
6636;AC de St-Nazaire-Penhoët;T1400;5;1947;1970;naval_engineering;naval_artillery;technical_efficiency;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;x

I will of course put in necessary pictures once I have assembled a zip file for upload and sharing.

 

[unmerged(64030)]

News from General Grant, he is having trouble logging in to Paradox. Though he appears to be back now so forget this. I apologize for not posting this sooner. That scare was for little... General_Grant can I get confirmation?

 

[General_Grant]

Yes im just back. I spend 2 hours on reconnecting a few things and finally worked... I was worried for nothing.

Thanks for having make the message, we should have a plan in case this happen again.

 

[unmerged(64030)]

Sounds good/Thank God! Now my next Proposal. A site or Separate Forum for this Mod. I have a couple of locations and ideas of how to accomplish this.

-One of us could make a Website and get it onto the Internet.
-We could use this forum and get a sub-forum their: http://www.moddir.net/forums/index.php
-I could ask my MP group Leader (Sort of an elected Moderator) to grant us a sub-forum.

This way we can have the files in an easy to access place, and a place that we all can access with or without paradox. What do you all think?

EDIT: I really think this is the best course of action.

EDIT2: I also am looking at a way to mod it so we can have Elite Units, and thanks to Mod-34 I found it! Turns out all models above Infantry 10 work, so for instance Infantry 23 works!

 

[dusan989]

What is the time scale of the mod?
About tech trees. What is the first think to do?

 

[unmerged(54011)]

hey about getting our own forrum sounds good about your discovery about techs, i knew it longer because i read it in the enhancement part of the HOI2 forum if i knew you were looking for susch an opion i could've told you but don't mind. oh i got an idea for the USA, although they were weakend could right wing extremists in the USA togheter with imigrants from germany and italy cause problems ?? during the war japanese people were locked up but the group with german and italian for fathers were to big to put away maybe they now with theyr countries oposing the USA could get more anti USA not al of them of course. and the rightwing extremists want better relationship with germany and ofcourse they want some appartheid in theyr own county and with a goverment allowing more rights to afro-american people they can become more violent and anti goverment

about own subforum i think we have to make threads about countries/area's of the world soit's easy to give info for the country you want instead of making new threads or post it in a just to large one inwicht the info might sink and we cant find it anymore

 

[General_Grant]

The timeline for techs shouls be like 1940-1960, but i have a few difficulties toward introducing a new tech tree. The players wont ba able to play the other scenario, or they will have to make another copy and this take place..

For the unique units, Mod 33 have also good suggestions. France have elite garrisons, Italy have super police brigade called black coat or whatever... What about it?

I seriously don't know what to about having our site or subforum. I think some complete and great mod such as Kaiserreich deserve a subforum more than us, and we will need to provide something before.

 

[unmerged(54011)]

The timeline for techs shouls be like 1940-1960, but i have a few difficulties toward introducing a new tech tree. The players wont ba able to play the other scenario, or they will have to make another copy and this take place..

For the unique units, Mod 33 have also good suggestions. France have elite garrisons, Italy have super police brigade called black coat or whatever... What about it?

I seriously don't know what to about having our site or subforum. I think some complete and great mod such as Kaiserreich deserve a subforum more than us, and we will need to provide something before.

i think screaming eagle was meaning a subforum on a otherside kaiserreich has it also and it makes gathering info a lit more easy. yeah i like mod 33 to maybe we could use the same grafiphics pack maybe holland/dietsland should get good marines because they have a long history from De Ruyter until now and in the may day's they stopt the germans in rotterdam until the dutch army capitulated after the rotterdam bombing, some marines were stuck under a bridge some days and stil fighting the germans, when they surrenderd they were called the black devils by the germans in dutch it is De Zwarte Duivels, this is the name of the first marine division in the division name list but actualy it only became a title of honor afther the dutch capitulation in europe

how about a little royal dutch state in the caribean ? give them curacao and suriname and some old ships with a guard division or so to guard the capital (curacao) and allied and protected by the americans of even a puppet of the USA

 

[unmerged(62281)]

Thanks a lot, Nomonhan. I was just worrying about how putting in place all Vichy's tech teams.

I also vote for a sub-forum: in my opinion, it's the best way to class all the informations.

 

[unmerged(54011)]

hey got some of my ideas for dietsland i hope screaming eagle can make them but i think also gen. grant needs to take a look at the idea : with the ss in charge in germany maybe togheter with rost van tonningen end feldmeijer they want to take over dietsland and let it become part of the reich but ofcourse people like mussert van geelkerken and declerq are against and maybe dietsland leaves the alliance with the reich and maybe join the allies under some conditions because it's attractive for the USA to have an ally right in germany's backjard but it need to be worked out more and the chance of ai choosing it should be verry low same goes for choosing becoming part of the reich

 

[unmerged(64030)]

I seriously don't know what to about having our site or subforum. I think some complete and great mod such as Kaiserreich deserve a subforum more than us, and we will need to provide something before.

I agree, but what i meant was our own separate site. The area's I discussed were area's to give us a forum of our own, on another site. That way if we lose contact with the Paradox site we can move their. Prevents problems.

Once again I have 2 options if you want them:
Moddir.net could give us a Sub-Forum without a problem I'm pretty sure.
War Plan Orange.net is where my MP group plays, and it could make an entire forum for us probably.

Just an idea to make Information gathering easier. Thus it wouldn't be a sub-forum, it would be our forum. Thus Information can go easier. What do you think General_grant, I could request forums at both those places.

hey got some of my ideas for dietsland i hope screaming eagle can make them but i think also gen. grant needs to take a look at the idea : with the ss in charge in germany maybe togheter with rost van tonningen end feldmeijer they want to take over dietsland and let it become part of the reich but ofcourse people like mussert van geelkerken and declerq are against and maybe dietsland leaves the alliance with the reich and maybe join the allies under some conditions because it's attractive for the USA to have an ally right in germany's backjard but it need to be worked out more and the chance of ai choosing it should be verry low same goes for choosing becoming part of the reich

I like it, want me to make Events?

 

[General_Grant]

That would be something great. But i have no skills for building furums/sites/whatever so we would need a responsible. Screaming-Eagle, you suggested the idea, would you like to be our responsible for it? Choose the site you like the most, i don't know about them so i have no opinion.

Sory for being a bit absent, i'll gather more files and put them in the package.

Unique units concept may be fun, but we need to release a Beta version first, we will add details after. About Dietsland we have enough event fro now but later it may be interesting.

 

[unmerged(64030)]

That would be something great. But i have no skills for building furums/sites/whatever so we would need a responsible. Screaming-Eagle, you suggested the idea, would you like to be our responsible for it? Choose the site you like the most, i don't know about them so i have no opinion.

Sory for being a bit absent, i'll gather more files and put them in the package.

Unique units concept may be fun, but we need to release a Beta version first, we will add details after. About Dietsland we have enough event fro now but later it may be interesting.

Sounds good. I will ask the people at Moddir.net for a Sub-Forum.

 

[unmerged(65250)]

I like the BUF flag

Ok..(Bloody Ugly Females/Bugge*ing Uncle Fuc*$rs/British Union of Fachists? :rofl: ).. which/what flag is that?

Got a much nicer Iron Cross now. When they resized down for a flag, it will look lots better; with little to no pixelation. Also got new Reichadler & different Luftwaffer Crosses.

Green is just background colour, normally I set to alpha transparent in GIMP, grey bits can be coloured to white or alpha transparent, black is ...er...black. Originaly converted to monochrome bitmap, then to 8 bit bitmap. NOTE; NO ALPHA channel on these pics, all from Paint.

 

[unmerged(65250)]

With these, all versions (I believe IMHO,) of luftwaffer crosses can be made, early full colour B&W, white shoulders, black shoulders, low visibility shoulders etc, if not easy for someone to alter them in paint or other GFX Application.









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[General_Grant]

That's nice! (I know; idiot, short comment but what do you want, its true)

But a little question, where thoses iron cross would be added?

 

[unmerged(65250)]

Use for flags, of German puppets, shields, doctored/modded pictures, print out for wallpapering (joke), model icons, anything where they could be useful.

Gilt Iron Cross

My imageshack http://profile.imageshack.us/user/razor1uk/

Soon coming some de-swastikered German Allies Wehrmacht Propaganda/Recruitment Poster/Pictures. Should be good for 'Info Screen' when choosing a country to play, or for event/tech. B&W & Colour versions will post shall I (Yoda?!)